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To: LindyBill who wrote (71291)	2/4/2003 1:06:15 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 281500

THE LONG MARCH by NICHOLAS LEMANN What the civil-rights movement looked like when it was still happening Nice essay. Those of us who lived through this, were participants in it, would write different essays, bringing other things to the front, pushing some of this to the back. But it's nice to remember.

To: LindyBill who wrote (71291)	2/4/2003 9:42:12 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 281500

I read that long article and in the end it seemed to miss a quite simple idea that to me is the real cause of mis-understanding when folks of different perspectives discuss issues at any time. To illustrate what I call this substantial indirection I will use this line from the last paragraph. "Even President Bush has made a point of avoiding a frontal assault on affirmative action-for example, declining to ask the Supreme Court to use the Michigan cases as the occasion simply to ban the use of race in college admissions." ref. #reply-18531974 for link. The idea is developed that somehow what individual thought on many issues somehow colors what today some embrace on a single issue. I know President Bush is 100% for affirmative action. I am also 100% for affirmative action. I believe the President as I also believe the judging or selecting others based on the color of the skin is 100% wrong. The simple idea is that affirmative action has many difference meaning to many different people. The statement above shows NICHOLAS LEMANN ignorant of this basic fact. Also the is a reference to Kings I have a dream speech and some rational the King may have had a different idea on affirmative action and other issues that many who embrace the Kings speech would reject. NICHOLAS LEMANN suggests somehow this means something. It means nothing to me as I thought the dream speech captured exactly my feeling about the equality of all men. The words used constructed an image that I saw as true. If it was not the image King had in mind, that does not change how I see the image created. So what other thoughts about other stuff and my agreement or not makes little difference on that other stuff. The important thing is to listen to exactly what is said and try to forget all the baggage that is unrelated. What is being said and does it make any sense. A good point made by LEMANN is the after the 1964 civil right act was signed that the the civil rights was had been won and now all is a police action to rid America of the hot spots. The police action idea is mine.