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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: KonKilo who wrote (19409)	2/4/2003 7:19:35 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

Evidence is being destroyed right and left. This is what rapidly fans the flames of suspicion of gov't intentions. There used to be a site voxnyc.com for a very critical political essayist, who is now MIA, after being raided under the new Homeland Defense Act, without warrant, taking down his site and actually absconding with the server hardware. The domain has also been removed from his control. There are mirror sites around, but hard to find, for now. I suspect they will pop up very shortly, however.

To: KonKilo who wrote (19409)	2/5/2003 8:48:05 AM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 93284

WHAT HAPPENED TO BARBARA OLSON AND THE OTHER PASSENGERS WHO PERISHED AT THE PENTAGON? Were they strapped to the missile???? All of them????

To: KonKilo who wrote (19409)	2/9/2003 11:03:41 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 93284

Well, since you insist..... Move down in this page to the link that says "Play Video" and click it. cnn.com It seems easiest to see the plane coming in in the repeats following the one where they highlight the plane with the white circle. Now one of the links below mentions the plane was doing about 350 mph when it came in. That's about 6 miles a minute or 65280/60 = 528 feet/sec or about 2 football field in one second. Consequently you won't see it for very long. snopes calls your theory an urban legend. This is worth reading: snopes2.com Some significant excerpts: When the plane hit at 350 miles an hour ...................................................... As a U.S. Army press release noted back on 26 September 2001, one engine of the aircraft punched a 12-foot hole through the wall of the second ring: This will be significant later: The plane banked sharply and came in so low that it clipped light poles.* About halfway down that link above is a picture of airplane debris on the lawn of the Pentagon. So much for "no debris". Another excerpt: damage to the building caused by the plane's wings is plainly visible in photographs, such as the one below (note the blackened sections on both sides of the impact site): More: When asked by a journalist: "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?" "First of all, the question about the aircraft, there are some small pieces of aircraft visible from the interior during this fire-fighting operation I'm talking about, but not large sections. In other words, there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing." " You know, I'd rather not comment on that. We have a lot of eyewitnesses that can give you better information about what actually happened with the aircraft as it approached. So we don't know. I don't know." The fire chief wasn't asked "where the aircraft was"; he was asked "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?" He did indeed provide an answer to the question he was asked: There were no large sections of the plane left by the time he was asked (the day after the attack) because they had been smashed into smaller pieces by the impact and then burned up; all that remained were smaller pieces visible only from the interior of the Pentagon. About those lamp poles: dragonslair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Another site worth going through: libertyboy.free.fr There are also more (and different) photographs of plane debris in there. About 4/5 of the way down that link, you will see "Answer #5". At the bottom of it, you will see "Two witnesses: Real Video (1 MB)". Click it. It requires RealPlayer (I believe that's what it's called). If you don't have it, it will prompt you to download it. Let me give you some advice: Don't buy into Duray's insane conspiracy theories. He's crazy. OK?