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To: Condor who wrote (71760)2/6/2003 11:03:14 AM
From: TigerPaw  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
the administration has blustered its way into a box, ruling out its two basic options -- talking or fighting -- and giving the North Koreans time to strengthen their hand by advancing their plutonium production. They're putting on a cool demeanor like they've got a master plan, but by not admitting that what's happening is a crisis, they're simply letting the situation drift until a nuclear North Korea becomes a fait accompli.

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the Bush administration had known about the North Koreans' uranium enrichment program for two years before raising the matter with them.



To: Condor who wrote (71760)2/6/2003 11:54:29 AM
From: aladin  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
C,

What is your plan for North Korea? How would you have handled it differently?

Clinton appeared to handle the situation well and was prepared to go to war (without consulting the UN btw) when he was talked into the Framework back in '94. They moved their development to enriched uranium and proceeded anyway and developed 1 or 2 weapons. Using funds obtained from South Korea and offsets from our supply of fuel oil.

Diplomatic solutions here seem to involve going back to a 90's approach of effectively sticking our heads in the sand and pretending nothing was happening.

You should read what Václav Havel and others under the 'evil empire' thought of another President you probably considered brash and lacking foreign policy tact.

During the period from September 1939 through late 1941, the Commonwealth (with Canada) stood alone against Hitler. My father-in-law and grandfather (and many from their generations across Canada) were always bitter that the US stayed out of the conflict and pursued diplomatic measures.

The following is a quote Charles Linbergh, the noted Aviator and supporter or US Neutrality in WW2.

They declared the war without consulting us. If it were possible to help them win, the result would probably be Versailles all over again. Europe must straighten out her own family affairs. Our interference would simply cause another postponement, as the last war did. Europe faces adjustments that must be made, and only she can work out what they are going to be.

In the summer of 1941 - 80% of the US public supported him and his cause over the Administration (which wanted to intervene). He never understood that this was not just a geopolitical game and that Hitlers regime was truly evil.

John



To: Condor who wrote (71760)2/6/2003 1:52:07 PM
From: Thomas A Watson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
No-one can account for what ideas or ignorance exists in the minds of others.

You posted
...snippets
"Pre-emptive attacks are not the exclusive right of the U.S."

Reality is Pre-emptive attacks are the exclusive right of those who will not be liquidated if they do attack. One has to presume there is some sanity. Else reason dictates eradication now.

whatever sadam or any madman blusters, the above is reality. I believe they know it.

The only way to attack America is anonymously.

America is at War now with terrorists. Iraq now is a HUGE strategic area that is available for terrorists. The place provides logistic support for planning large scale terror. This is the perfect place to support anonymously those who live only to strike America.

Korea is not a big problem this five minutes. It is mind boggling anyone could give Korea a nuke factory and not know that means that they will become a real problem and threat equal to Iraq and worse over the years.

But Iraq is the pustule that is the biggest threat. The third stringers employed by the former president just messed up so much. Iraq is the clearest and most present danger. HANDS DOWN.

To human rights, the UN is a joke. SO if the world is going to be made safe, then America is the country that has the ethics and knowhow to make it safe. Others will be with us or not.

Most Americans once believed that world building could be left to the UN. It was not the business of the America. 9-11 says the pros have to step up and do all the dirty work.

America knows freedom, fairness and tolerance. That's just the way it is.