To: tejek who wrote (160264 ) 2/7/2003 12:26:52 PM From: TimF Respond to of 1579687 Tell me.......is your info anecdotal or do you have facts to back it up. It has been researched but I don't have links. You can find "The Bell Curve" at Amazon.com but that is only part of the research. I know there is a lot of information about the people from different sides of Africa excelling at particular types of running. To my knowledge, they have never proven scientifically that blacks have better rhythm; that whites are inherently better at broom hockey and that there is a genetic reason why blacks have more 'soul' than whites. To my knowledge it has not been proven either. I never made any of those specific claims. I just said that there would be differences. I'm not even talking as much about blacks being different then whites or Asians. I'm talking about people of different ancestry being different. That includes groups of whites being different from each other, groups of Asians being different from each other (although I have no real data about Asians in this area) and groups of blacks as being different for example east African and west African runners. Are you speaking truth or passing down gossip? Speaking truth, or at least speaking truth as it can best be understood in an area that doesn't receive tons of attention from researches as it is a relatively taboo subject. Well, then, let me take it one step further, whites are more successful in school because they are more evolved I never said any group was more evolved. Just that traits are not distributed exactly equally between groups. I think overall the cultural and economic factors are bigger then the genetic ones, but even when strictly looking at genetics it wouldn't make sense to say any group is more evolved. Some are taller, some are shorter, some are faster in a sprint, some are better at distance running, some are probably better at certain mental tasks but perhaps worse at others. Most of these trends are small (although the runner example might be an exception) and most of them are smaller then the variations within groups, often much smaller. Most of them are only noticeable when you do careful statistical analysis of the group like in the Bell Curve. A few of the bigger ones are noticeable by looking at the winners in particular areas (like the abilities of runners from the groups), and a very few are completely obvious (like the fact that Pgymies tend to be short). "Tim this stuff (groups tending to vote certain ways) has been known for decades. Read carefully. I wasn't disputing that groups tend to vote in certain ways that are different from other groups. This isn't limited to racial groups. Men vote differently then women, wealthy people vote differently then the middle class who vote differently then the poor. People in cities vote differently then people in the suburbs who vote differently then people in rural areas. None of this makes any of them any less an individual or means that they should be treated mainly as a member of a group." I am confused......what point are you trying to make? Mainly that you had no point... I said people are individuals. You said they voted and did other things as groups. My response was that it was not just racial groups that are different this way and that in any case it doesn't change the fact that you should treat people as individuals. Tim