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To: Ilaine who wrote (72159)	2/7/2003 4:56:54 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<Typical male argument, especially males from authoritarian/paternalistic/phallocentric cultures with well-entrenched class/caste systems. No evidence in support of your argument, you're just automatically right because you are who you are.> Giggle. Arun, I think she got you right between the eyes and tossed in some genderist remarks to boot, which wouldn't be acceptable if they were about a race. Slagging males is fair game these days. Denigration of typical thoughtless female 'thinking' is less politically correct. It might even be called sexist. CB, that attitude is nothing new. It's not a male monopoly. It's an authoritarian thing. You'll find it in the lawyer caste, the bureaucrat class, the military class, the political class. Plenty of women have such an authoritarian streak. I'm sure there are some that don't. It's a real struggle for about half the population to even listen, let alone understand, and to mount a reasoned rebuttal leaves most floundering. I hasten to add that I am NOT sexist. Heck, some of my best friends are thoughtless. Mqurice PS: Maori society is like your description. Sheilas aren't even allowed to speak on the marae. Iwi bosses are just right because of who they are. They don't need reasoning. They simply assert their authority. New Zealand [and American] society until well/late into the 20th century was like that too. My mother was told "This is where you come in" [or words to that effect] when, at a school board meeting in the early 1960s, it was time to have after-meeting tea. Giggle. I can't recall her reply, but it would have been to the effect that if he would have difficulty with making tea, then she would be only too happy to go along with him to help. Not many women were doing much along those lines in those days [running the community]. Mostly they baked scones and discussed babies or were in 'women's jobs', such as nursing, teaching, secretarial, production line. The blokes did the man's work [which included running the show - outside the home anyway, where henpecking was an occupational hazard, which drove The Shed phenomenon in Kiwi culture].

To: Ilaine who wrote (72159)	2/7/2003 5:08:53 PM
From: epsteinbd	Respond to of 281500

Hi CB. There are forty four terror alerts infos in Israel right now, (as per Haaretz), and I am going out now, will eat some chicken curry with the mustard (not the gas!) from the main container, salad and dressing etc. Relax. MacDos still remain one of the safest place on earth. They only had one death, to my knowledge. Well, yes, in France (Britany); but not because of what you think. The guy wasn't even eating! Simply working when the trash can he opened blew. A bomb. Put by the weirdos there that are scared to be genetically modified by some corn, while lots of them already are by the Calvados they moonshine. Still, and again in France, it is true that a few oranges were poisoned in the early eighties with potassium cyanide injected inside by some Palestinian group, I forgot which one. Three people died. Soupez bien, mais avec discernement.

To: Ilaine who wrote (72159)	2/7/2003 5:28:41 PM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>If I were brainstorming the next Al Qaeda attack,> So you are imagining that you are a terrorist... > it seems most likely to involve something like ricin, one of the deadliest poisons known to man, which is easy to make, not terribly toxic unless ingested, terribly lethal if ingested, tasteless, odorless, and there is no known antidote. Plus which, symptoms don't begin for several hours after ingestion.> Did you research all the poisons available to you? Or did Riacin just spring to your mind because it is in the news? >A coordinated group of sleeper cells could sprinkle ricin in hundreds of salad bars and condiment bars all over, say, Manhattan, London, Los Angeles, etc., etc., and kill literally thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, perhaps without detection.> As a terrorist, how have you set up the distribution of the poison? Do you know what concentrations of ricin you need? What about the logistics of sprinkling? Is sprinkling the most appropriate method of dosing food with riacin? Would you start with salad bars? Are you thinking of attacking the healthy eaters first? Would you start with pork because it is banned in your religion? Or would you start with beef so that you can confuse the world that the poisoning is the work of Hindu fundamentalists? >Ever since I realized this, I've quit eating at salad bars. Large ketchup and mustard dispensers at, say, hot dog stands in a sports arena would also work, I think.> What did you realize? You set up an imaginary framework and made a conclusion that affects your day-to-day life. And now you can blame Al Quaeda for it. >In my nightmares, I worry about public school cafeterias, college cafeterias, hospital cafeterias.> You are free to worry about anything in your nightmares. Even I (from an authoritarian/ paternalistic/ phallocentric culture with well-entrenched class/caste system) will grant you that freedom!