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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (6481)	2/7/2003 11:23:59 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

PartyTime....Several things....First... .You (PT)and TigerPaw (TP) seem to write with the same line of thinking, and sometimes I forget that while you share the same thoughts, you are two separate folks. I think. But I apologize for getting the initials wrong, PT. But so you understand mistakes happen...especially when in a hurry, or too tired. you said: First off, I do you have dyslexia? see, mistakes do happen.... You and I will not evidently see through our own readings, and so it is pointless to argue with you. I will write some of my reasons, if you care to think about them, and will appreciate hearing yours. NO ONE outside the top Officials in our Country have the classified facts. I choose NOT to believe Saddam. Much of the outspoken left just throws grenades, not hard facts. If you care to look at news items on Internet by at least mainstream press, and perhaps articles by individuals who have actually been around Saddam you may want to reevaluate your premise that a war may be the only way to rid the world of this menace. Saddam's own son-in-laws defected, talked, then relented, went back, and were executed. I will send an article on this: Saddam's Bomb Maker: Dr. Khidir Hamza, Author of Saddam's Bombmaker The 13 of the 15 nations you talked about have done NADA/NOTHING for the last 12 years to assure the world that Saddam stand up to his OWN agreement for disarmament. Who is kidding whom? You say Bush wants a war....WHY on earth would he or anyone want war? If he really did, he would have gone to war immediately after 9/11/01. Trumped up something, other than the gaping holes in NYC, and all the grief and expense of that "adventure".....Shoot, we could have nuked China for the shot down plane incident 3 months after Bush took office. We didn't. The day after Pearl Harbor was destroyed, FDR, a Democrat, declared War. The Americans, no matter their politics, went with him. "Only 2600" military were killed then. In the WTC 9-11, we lost over 3000++ CIVILIANS by terrorists funded by AQ, OBL, and ultimately, I believe we will be able to prove when this is over, by Saddam and others in the ME. You must NOT have been reading OBL and the AQ and other terrorist spokesmen....or you wouldn't believe your item #c. Re Iraq...to quote you: and hiding some "chemical-like weapons...." The UN's 1441 says they are to have NONE.....read their lips, and Saddams agreement....NONE. And the "inspectors" are not charged to find the stuff....they are to VERIFY (Not be detectives to find) that Saddam has in fact destroyed ALL of the materials. PERIOD. There are better analysts who have hands on experience than Stephen Pelletiere....(see the book above for instance....and Bob Baer, CIA agent that worked on the scene for many years.... And you said: >>>>>>>Finally, KLP, I support a war against terror. But I do not support a war that'll likely create more terrorists.<<<< Again, read OBL's words, as well as the words of many of the Militant Muslims....Read Saddam's words on his thoughts of the US....and look at the pictures again of the people who he has gassed, tortured and murdered.

To: PartyTime who wrote (6481)	2/7/2003 11:58:47 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 25898

And here is a reference to Saddams' Bomb Maker: The Terrifying Inside Story of the Iraqi Nuclear and Biological Weapons Agenda Saddam's Bombmaker: The Terrifying Inside Story of the Iraqi Nuclear and Biological Weapons Agenda by Khidr Abd Al-Abbas Hamzah, Jeff Stein (Collaborator), Khidhir Hamza Editorial Reviews amazon.com Amazon.com "I am lucky to be alive," writes Khidhir Hamza on the opening page of this memoir, which reads like a thriller. Hamza describes how he helped Saddam Hussein design a nuclear bomb over the course of 22 years. He has an amazing story to relate, and with the help of collaborator Jeff Stein, he tells it remarkably well. It begins with his cloak-and-dagger escape from Baghdad in 1994, then goes back in time to describe the education he received earlier in the United States. Hamza returned to his native Iraq, and Saddam seduced him into accepting the comfortable life of an atomic scientist trying to build a bomb for a megalomaniac. Hamza presents a terrifying, almost psychotic portrait of Hussein himself: the dictator--a man with "yellow, lifeless eyes"--has a paranoid fear of germs and a taste for Johnnie Walker Blue Label. He's prone to drunken rages and relies on sedatives to keep control of himself: "His personality grew more erratic with the ups and downs of the drugs, the liquor, and the pressures of command." Hamza recounts a story told by one of Saddam's doctors, in which the strongman was found "stomping about his palace bedroom in a blood-splotched shirt" near the body of a woman whose throat was slit. Hamza was eventually kept under house arrest, and even threatened with torture. His escape was an astonishing feat, and the message he brought to the West is vital: "I have no doubt that Iraq is pursuing the nuclear option." The Gulf War slowed development, but failed to shut it down. The coalition that knocked Saddam out of Kuwait has fallen apart, and United Nations inspectors no longer try to keep him in check. Hamza urges policymakers to confront Saddam, and suggests that the CIA redouble its efforts to help topnotch scientists flee from their virtual captivity. If rogue nations experience a brain drain, he says, their capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction will suffer. Saddam's Bombmaker is hard to put down and essential reading for anybody interested in national security. --John J. Miller New York Times Book Review "gripping and unsettling...a rare account of privilege ...with big houses, expensive cars, glittering restaurants..."