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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (172918)2/8/2003 11:02:23 AM
From: Dan3  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Re: Time to get out the world's smallest violin to play for you and all the other "injured shareholders".

It's a real problem Wanna_B, Intel and AMD are by no means the worst, but both have behaved poorly.

There is no reason in the world for the handful of employees, hired by the stockholders to oversee a company, to take 50%, 100%, 150%, or more of the profits as pay. That's theft.

Do you think the manager of a Burger King with net margins of 5% should award himself a bonus of 10% of the gross revenue of the store? And just take it from the till? Because that's effectively what the executive committees of many of the country's largest corporations have done.

It makes sense to award options to the founders and early employees of a startup that pays little, stands a good chance of going bankrupt, and won't make money for years. But executive officers and board members of an established company should get profit sharing, not guaranteed winning lottery tickets.

These guys are stealing from the stockholders that are their employers - period. They should be in prison. They had a fiduciary responsibility to the stockholders, they knew about that responsibility, and they looted the assets they were entrusted with.

If some illiterate homeless guy steals 3 TVs worth $250 each over the course of a couple of years, he goes to prison for life. With that as a baseline, many of the officers of our major corporations are probably in line for 100 million year prison sentences....



To: wanna_bmw who wrote (172918)2/8/2003 11:04:34 AM
From: The Duke of URLĀ©  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
And you miss my point as well. He has a right to ask the questions. It is Disclosure that is the issue. It is the sunshine rule. The warm sunshine of day has a very cleansing effect on corporate actions.

And when you say things like:

"like all the other losers who threw their money away during this bear market" you are really missing the issue.

You can not excuse a fraud by blaming the victim of fraud for being so stupid as to fall for it.

But again, you are missing the issue. I am not saying there is anything like fraud here. What I am saying is that a share holder HAS A RIGHT TO ASK THE QUESTION AND GET AN ANSWER, in this particular instance.

"At any rate, I've been trying to kill this endless debate,"

Well, firing from the lip to insult posters for asking valid questions is certainly not going to do that.