To: Berry Picker who wrote (34315 ) 2/8/2003 11:45:44 AM From: 2MAR$ Respond to of 39621 I do not see how you can do so when you do not even understand what Christ said. One could spend 23 centuries delving deep into the nuance of every syllable and every word of Epicurus and also arrive at some very deep meanings of life and reality very nicely too. Christianity took over and dominated the landscape so ferociously until the renaissance , nothing else was tolerated ...everything else was obliterated, almost. In fact , it is when Christianity turns itself back towards reason and logic and tries to deal with first causes and principals , regain some accord with nature and stops bemoaning the end of the world nonsense , it regains some of it's sanity again. No-one was ever made a better person by the threat of hell or the promise of heaven...it is in the self-examined life that we find all is worth living for . It is the unexamined life that is --->dead. No , it was not Jesus that said that , though he was trying to , except with the mythology he had to labor under , and that unassuageable martyr complex. But that was woven into the fabric of the fable by the many unknown authors of the gospels , borrowed from many former myths that went into this concoction. You see , you are in fact a student of Epicurus and many other Greek , Persian and Egyptian philosophers you just aren't aware of it . Your St Paul would have known nothing but for the wisdom and stories he borrowed and wove into his preaching from these former sources so universally known in his day ... all came from before . Inspired revelation from God ? So is a tree a poem to those who have the eyes to see . <g> But Jesus cursed the fig tree didn't he ? And drove the pigs off that cliff ...That was so very ...."lordly" of him.<g>