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Politics : Stockman Scott's Political Debate Porch -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: stockman_scott who wrote (12753)	2/8/2003 7:32:29 PM
From: jmanvegas	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 89467

You keep digging up every negatively slanted article regarding the Bush Administration. Obviously, you don't care for the Prez. I accept that. You ever try digging up positive articles for the Bush policy. A recent poll says that approximately 60-70% of Americans favor action in Iraq. Where are those articles Stockman? Obviously, your views are extremely well known here. I accept that also. But for the sake of future generations and the current X & Y generations (most of whom couldn't point out where France is on the map or who the VP is), it's time to kick some ass. I'm not afraid. Are you? I'm more afraid of inaction and appeasement. But the fast-food McDonald's generation, with their SUV's, bigger houses, plasma TV's, and fat stomachs, only care about their pocketbooks. It's all about money now. It's all about my job. It's all about the economy. It's all about me. If it isn't about the aforementioned, they really don't care or want to know, nor does the current generation of TV idiots have any sense of history. It isn't about sacrifice anymore. It isn't about doing the right thing when taking out the heart of terrorism or potential threats to this country. Hell, if the terrorists want to knock down a few buildings every now and then, and I'm not in them, so be it. The terrorists who were arrested in France last week were caught with Ricin poisoning. The French didn't mention it. They didn't want that to leak out. They're liars, scoundrels, and dirty fucing people. I've been there. FUK them with flying colors. They didn't put up a fight with the Nazis when the Nazis strolled into Paris. What does that tell you about them. In 1942, after the US entered the war, our Navy had to destroy the French fleet off the north coast of Africa in one of the largest naval battles of WWII because they were attempting to prevent us from helping out the Brits who were having a difficult time with Rommel. So again, I say, FUK THE FRENCH. As far as sacrifice goes, this country at this critical time knows no sacrifice nor cares to. That would upset the apple cart, inconvenience most of the current generation, affect their partying ways and maybe they couldn't afford to buy that crap rap music sht. For those that fought in the World Wars of the last century, that is a shame. Iraq will fold like a busted balloon if we go to war. Will it eliminate the terrorist threat? No but it will mitigate it. So I'm ready for a good ass kicking and cleansing. I'm also ready for more of your articles slanted against the Bush Administration. You've got anything else to contribute? jmanvegas

To: stockman_scott who wrote (12753)	2/8/2003 9:17:00 PM
From: lurqer	Respond to of 89467

A machine translation of the Mirage initiative sprung on the Secretary of War. Message 18555840 This is hilarious. I knew if I could figure out that the purpose of an Iraqi war was empire, so could others. The question was what would they do about it? Surely its only a Machine Translation, but For annoying it might provide above all that the government obviously prepared the plan for weeks in the secret one. Besides the concept is discussed at present with several critics of the US strategy, among them the Greek Prime Minister and acting European Union advice president Kostas Simitis, Russian president Vladimir Putin and the designate Chinese president Hu Jintao. shows that the neo-con thesis of an American worldwide hegemony has produced a Hegelian antithesis - the banding together of other nations with a different view of the world's future. And sandbagged von Rumsfeld. ROTFL lurqer

To: stockman_scott who wrote (12753)	2/10/2003 11:37:50 AM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

Consequences of War by Charlie Rease: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have no doubt that George Bush will launch an attack on Iraq, with or without United Nations Security Council approval. I have no doubt that the United States will win the war, though some Iraqi defectors have said recently that it might not be as easy as American officials think. But we will win. So let's look at what the consequences are likely to be: 1. American lives will be lost. I've heard some military brass refer to the 146 killed in the first Gulf War as "negligible." I personally don't think the loss of even one American life is negligible. I think the casualties will be much higher. The fact that Iraqi soldiers ran from Kuwait — whose invasion they didn't think much of in the first place — doesn't mean that they will run away from defending their homes, their wives and their children. 2. America will be morally discredited. We will have attacked a country with a population of 20 million that did not attack us. Nobody in the world except politicians in Washington and London (if them) believe that Iraq, so terribly weakened by the Gulf War and the sanctions, is a threat to anybody. How can President Bush keep saying Iraq is a threat to its neighbors, much less the world, when Iraq's neighbors keep saying, "No, it is not a threat"? Every one of Iraq's neighbors — Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran and, most especially, Israel — is more powerful than Iraq. 3. The Islamic world will be enraged, and that's more than 1 billion people. Terrorism directed against the United States will be increased, not decreased. However we see it, the war will be seen as an attack against Islam, as an attempt by the United States to recolonize the Arab world and to establish between ourselves and Israel domination and hegemony. 4. The United States will be tied down in Iraq for a year or more. We should learn from the Israeli experience. They went into Lebanon like a hot knife through butter, but they found that they couldn't stay. We will find out the same thing in Iraq. Even if we install a puppet government, we'll have to prop it up or else it will be overthrown. 5. The war will cost us between $100 billion and $200 billion. The president has not budgeted for that expense. The war and its likely effect on oil prices will certainly damage and could wreck our economy. Nobody is going to help us pay for it. The Arabs in the Gulf States are already saying to America about Iraq, "You break it, you buy it." 6. The Middle East will be destabilized — to what extent, it's impossible to predict. Some now-friendly governments could be overthrown. Nearly all will be forced to change their attitude toward the United States to appease their people. The forces of extremism will be greatly strengthened, and the moderates will be greatly weakened and perhaps rendered completely ineffective. Again, we should learn from the Israelis. They have not been able to kill their way to security and peace. Every time they crush an enemy militarily, they generate more and more hatred. The Middle East is not a region where memories are short or where forgiveness has much of a standing. Revenge is deeply imbedded in the culture of that region. 7. Finally, the United States will have served notice on every other country in the world that it will launch a pre-emptive attack against any country it imagines might be a threat, directly or indirectly, in the future. If you want a formula for a dangerous, unstable world, that's it. No country in the world will trust us again.