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To: TigerPaw who wrote (356729)	2/10/2003 1:34:52 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 769670

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To: TigerPaw who wrote (356729)	2/10/2003 1:35:17 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

We need no religious talk here of the soul to see what is plainly before us in nature. The problem with your position is evident in your own human nature and was explained in these posts. Message 18544938 siliconinvestor.com This point of yours about birth being “a clear enough event to make a good basis for law” is obviously defective, and here is the problem. Abortion law is not based upon birth. It is based upon a state prior to birth. So then we have no birth, which you claim is a clear enough event to make law, and yet we have law that regulates this non-birth state. The fatal defect in your position is that it erroneously claims the event upon which abortion law rests is birth, when in fact the real event is pregnancy. Pregnancy itself is the “clear enough event to make a good basis for law” and if that were not true, no one would be stimulated to end pregnancy by abortion. Now then, keeping in mind the fact that pregnancy is obviously a clear enough event for law, pregnancy is also the scientifically objective state at which essential humanity first exists. With these two facts, the civilized choice becomes evident. Civilized man will not kill an innocent one of us simply because of convenience and whim. And he will not deceive himself with intentional insanity. This is no basis for human civilization. It is pure barbarous nihilism. Yet this sort of self-deception is what we must do to accept your contention that birth is the most suitable criterion upon which to base abortion law. It is to say that as long as the nine-month old child is inside his mother, he is not human, but should a second later the child issue from the womb, the child becomes human. A child’s change of residence from the womb to his mother’s breast alters the child no more than removing him from his nursing mother and dumping him in the trash. He is human, not trash, but one of us, wherever he exists.