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To: KLP who wrote (73283)2/12/2003 4:00:10 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
Good column from Kelly on one of our German "Friends"

washingtonpost.com
Germany's Mr. Tough Guy

By Michael Kelly

Wednesday, February 12, 2003; Page A29

"Excuse me. I am not convinced."

-- German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, lecturing to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in Munich last week, after Rumsfeld's argument for war against Iraq.

Mr. Rumsfeld may have convinced the leaders of 18 European nations, but not you, Mr. Fischer. It's personal. This seems to me the right way to look at it. The question of failing to convince must be seen in the context of whom we have failed to convince. Sometimes "who" explains "why."

Mr. Fischer, who are you?

You are the foreign minister of Germany. You have been that since 1998, when Germany's left-wing Greens party, of which you are a leader, won enough in the polls to force the Social Democratic Party into the so-called Red-Greens coalition government.

But for the formative years of your political life, you were no man in a blue government suit. You were a man in a black motorcycle helmet. That is what you were wearing on that day in April 1973 when you were photographed, to quote the New Left historian Paul Berman, "as a young bully in a street battle in Frankfurt."

In 2001, Stern magazine published five photographs of you in action that day. What these pictures depicted was described by Berman in a deeply informed 25,000-word article, "The Passion of Joschka Fischer" (The New Republic, Sept. 3, 2001). The photos showed you, Mr. Fischer, inflicting a "gruesome beating" on a young policeman named Rainer Marx: "Fischer and other people on the attack, the white-helmeted cop going into a crouch; Fischer's black-gloved fist raised as if to punch the crouching cop on the back; Fischer's comrades crowding around; the cop huddled on the ground, Fischer and his comrades appearing to kick him . . ."

As Berman reported, Mr. Fischer, you rose in public life as an important figure in the anti-American, anti-liberal, neo-Marxist, revolution-minded German radical left of the generation of 1968. This was the left that produced and supported the Baader-Meinhof Gang (or Red Army Faction), which, as Berman wrote, "refrained from nothing," including "kidnappings, bank holdups, murders." You were not a terrorist yourself, but you were a good and active friend to terrorists, weren't you, Mr. Fischer?

In 1976, to protest the death in prison of Baader-Meinhof founder Ulrike Meinhof, you planned and participated in a Frankfurt demonstration in which, Berman wrote, "somebody tossed a Molotov cocktail at a policeman and burned him nearly to death." You were arrested but not charged. In 2001, Meinhof's daughter, Bettina Rohl (who gave those damning photos to Stern) told the press that you were responsible for the throwing of that firebomb. Other contemporary witnesses, Berman reported, said that you "had never ruled out the use of Molotovs and may even have favored it." You denied it, for the record.

In 2001 the German government put on trial your old friend Hans-Joachim Klein, who had been an underground "soldier" in the Revolutionary Cells, an ally of the Red Army Faction and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The Revolutionary Cells helped in the murder of the Israeli Olympic athletes in Munich in 1972, and Klein himself took part in a 1975 joint assassination operation with Carlos the Jackal in which three were killed.

During your testimony at Klein's trial, you were accused of having harbored Red Army Faction members in your Revolutionary Struggle house, the Frankfurt center for the group Revolutionary Struggle, which you co-founded with housemate Daniel "Danny the Red" Cohn-Bendit. You were forced to admit there was some truth in the accusation after it was revealed, as Berman reported, that Margrit Schiller, "who had served jail time for her connections to the Red Army Faction," had in her memoirs "plainly stated that she had spent a 'few days' in the early 1970s living in the Revolutionary Struggle house." (After your testimony, you shook hands with your old terrorist friend Klein. Sweet.)

In 1969, you attended the meeting of the Palestine Liberation Organization in which the PLO resolved that its ultimate aim was the extinction of Israel -- that is to say, the extinction or expulsion of the Jews of Israel. Seven years later, Revolutionary Cells terrorists led by your Frankfurt colleague, Wilfried Boese, hijacked an Air France plane to Entebbe, Uganda. The hijackers intended to murder all the Jewish passengers on that flight but were killed by Israeli commandos. "Suddenly," Berman wrote, "the implication of anti-Zionism struck home to [Fischer]. What did it mean that, back in Algiers in 1969, the PLO, with the young Fischer in attendance, had voted the Zionist entity into extinction? Now he knew what it meant."

So, that's who you are, Mr. Fischer, the man we haven't convinced. You are the man for whom Munich wasn't enough, the man who needed Entebbe to convince him that murdering Jews was wrong. You ask to be excused. You have been excused.

washingtonpost.com



To: KLP who wrote (73283)2/12/2003 1:00:14 PM
From: Neeka  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Bin Laden is a real nut case if he thinks people are going to put him on the same pedestal as God. Ordering humans to martyr themselves at the foot of his alter, and embrace his obsessions. What a damned cowboy.

He really is looking more and more the fool...especially when he threatens rulers of ME countries. He must think he is one powerful dude making these threats, and believing everyone is shaking in their boots scurrying to grant his every wish? I can't begin to explain the mental illness that consumes him.

You would think after Afghanistan that he would have learned his lesson, but alas he even pretends to be able to defend against sophisticated US weaponry, and tells all the little people how it's done. What a joke this man has become.

Does he not realize that his forces (what a misnomer that is LOL) have been scattered to the wind. That his followers are a disorganized mish mash of idiots?

What is it with people who feel important to idiots?

Rational individuals realize that people just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace. To worship a kind and charitable God. Then along comes this rich, aggressive, narrow minded jerk with his own little vendettas, ordering people around like some kind of despotic tyrant full of illusions of grandeur. He reminds me of Hitler.

I have to admit, by golly, that it did work there for awhile. He convinced 20 idiots to bomb America. Too bad for him that humanity, including most Muslims, have condemned him for his horrible brutality, his insanity, and equate him not with God, but with the worlds most hated men.

He is an idiot seed who attracts other idiot seeds. Pretty much everyone just wishes that he and his idiot ideas would disappear. A lot of people are grateful that the US is willing to take on the thankless job, but not Reene.

Reene seems to have fallen into a cynical trap writing little stories to make herself feel better about her obsession. At least she doesn't put out the call to murder and martyr, or put herself on the same God like level that binny does.......at least not in public.

M@wonderifreeneisgoingtobuyducttape.???

albawaba.com

Bin Laden calls all Muslims to fight with Iraq against America
12-02-2003

An audio recording said to be the voice of Osama bin Laden called for Muslims to stage suicide attacks and join the Iraqi regime in any war against the United States.

Washington immediately seized upon the message as evidence that bin Laden's al-Qaeda network had a "common cause" with Iraqi leader, Saddam Hussein.

The Al-Jazeera Arab television network broadcast the message it said was from bin Laden.

The speaker called on Muslims "especially in Iraq, to launch a jihad (holy war) against such an unjust campaign.
"We stress the importance of martyrdom operations against the enemy, these attacks that have scared Americans and Israelis like never before," he said.

"We advise about the importance of drawing the enemy into long, close and exhausting fighting, taking advantage of camouflaged positions in plains, farms, mountains and cities," the voice said.

The speaker urged the Iraqis to draw the Americans into urban combat, saying "the thing that the enemy fears the most is to fight a city war."

The speaker also told Iraqis not to worry about U.S. smart bombs and laser-guided weapons because "they work on only the clear, obvious targets." He encouraged Iraqis to use deception techniques to neutralize American technological superiority.

"All those who cooperate with the Americans against Iraq are hostile to Islam," said the speaker, adding that any Muslim regime which supports the United States would be declared to have abandoned the faith.

He also issued a fatwa (an Islamic decree), in which he said it would be acceptable for Muslims to fight alongside Saddam's "socialist apostates" against "the Crusaders."

In the tape, the purported bin Laden warns the governments of Jordan, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Yemen not to assist Washington in its "crusade" against Baghdad.

Commenting on Bin Laden's statements, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told Al-Jazeera: "He threatens everybody in the Arab world except Saddam Hussein, he says he wants to fight with Saddam Hussein.

"This does confirm that bin Laden and Saddam Hussein seem to find common cause together." And he added: "They are bound by a common hatred, that's what you have bin Laden confirming today."

"This didn't just threaten the United States, he threatened half-a dozen Arab governments," Boucher said. "He is threatening the whole world." (Albawaba.com)