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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Richnorth who wrote (21440)	2/12/2003 10:45:21 AM
From: Richnorth	Respond to of 27758

Purported bin Laden message on war against infidels Wednesday, February 12, 2003 Posted: 9:56 AM EST (1456 GMT) CNN's Wolf Blitzer and Octavia Nasr examine a portion of the purported bin Laden audiotape on which he calls on Muslims to defend Iraq if attacked by the U.S. (February 11) in Washington (CNN) -- The Qatar-based, Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera broadcast an audiotape Tuesday of a voice purported to be that of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. The speaker called on all Muslims to fight any U.S.-led attack on Iraq, suggested battle strategies and warned leaders of Islamic nations not to help the enemy. Excerpts of the tape follow: "In the name of God most merciful, a message to all brothers in Iraq. Peace be on you. All you believers fear God as he should be feared and say we will die as Muslims." "We have been following anxiously the preparations of the crusaders to conquer the former capital of Islam and steal their wealth and impose a puppet regime that follows its masters in Washington and Tel Aviv, just like these Arab governments, in order to create what is called greater Israel. This is a war led by the infidels, by America and its spies and agents. ..." "We need your intention to be to fight for the sake of God, not for nationalism or any infidel regime, including Iraq. ... " "We have recorded through our fight with the enemy that they concentrate on psychological warfare. They rely on intensive air bombardment, but their soldiers are cowards, and convinced that their government is lacking a just cause. They fight for those capitalists and arm dealers, led by the criminal gang in the White House. ..." "Their smart bombs failed to help them (at Tora Bora, Afghanistan). They will be wasting their weapons and their money, so build trenches. As Caliph Omar said, 'seek refuge in the soil.'" "We also advise you to drag the forces into fighting you in street fights. Take them into farms, into cities, and fight them in there ... they will be losing a lot of lives. We also encourage the suicide attacks against the enemy. Just look at what happened to the U.S. and Israel." "We also want to clarify that whoever helps America ... either if they fight next to them or give them support in any form or shape, even by words, if they help them to kill the Muslims in Iraq, they have to know that they are outside this Islamic nation. Jordan and Morocco and Nigeria and Saudi Arabia should be careful that this war, this crusade, is attacking the people of Islam first. It doesn't matter whether the socialist (Baath) party or Saddam disappear. ..." "We want to ask the good Muslims to help in any way they can to join the forces and ... overthrow the leaderships that work as slaves for America. ... " "And it doesn't harm in these conditions the interest of Muslims to agree with those of the socialists in fighting against the crusaders, even though we believe the socialists are infidels. For the socialists and the rulers have lost their legitimacy a long time ago, and the socialists are infidels regardless of where they are, whether in Baghdad or in Aden. ... " "In conclusion, I advise you and myself to be pious to Allah and (inaudible) in open, and to be patient and persevere in the jihad so the victory is patient for one hour. And I also advise myself and you to mention God and pray to him. God Almighty said, 'All you who believe, if you meet the enemy hold fast and mention the name of God often so that you may win.' "

To: Richnorth who wrote (21440)	2/12/2003 11:12:18 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27758

TA TA lil ritchi. Hey Easter is very soon, any chance you will come back as the Easter bunny. LOL rich you really are a hoot. and it's funny but I do miss your comedy a bit. You said...." Ain't Rich entitled to his opinions? And enjoy freedom of speech? It seems to me you want Rich to think exactly like you do"..... Yes of course you are just like all of us here but remember that your opinions may come under attack just as mine and others are. And try to remember that the freedoms we enjoy came at a very high price. Veterans. You said...." Are you sure you are making correct judgements or capable of doing so? Have you no biases and prejudices?"..... Am I making correct judgements?, I can't always be sure but I try to learn as I go along and change my opinions when it is shown to me that I was wrong. Am I capable of doing so? I think so, I use common sense when trying to determine right from wrong. You said....." However, I agree with Rich that too much fuss have been made about what he often referred to as 'freedom "shit"' and it is laughable that people like you take it so seriously."...... Well lil ritchi. There are many people who take this " freedom shit " seriously, many have lost their lives so we can enjoy what you call this " freedom shit" That you say something like this or even think it should indicate to you why so many here find you repulsive. THERE IS NOTHING MORE PRECIOUS THAN FREEDOM TO A HUMAN BEING. In your ranting you ask ...." Ain't Rich entitled to his opinions? And enjoy freedom of speech? ".... Then you say...." However, I agree with Rich that too much fuss have been made about what he often referred to as 'freedom "shit"' and it is laughable that people like you take it so seriously."..... You are one very confused person.