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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (7834)	2/13/2003 9:27:58 AM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 25898

A fallacious statement. All conservatives, including neocons are pro-peace....

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (7834)	2/13/2003 10:30:52 AM
From: PartyTime	Respond to of 25898

British Agency Claims New bin Laden Tape By JANE WARDELL Associated Press Writer February 13, 2003, 10:15 AM EST LONDON -- A second tape attributed to Osama bin Laden has the al-Qaida leader saying he wants to die a martyr this year in the "eagle's belly," in an apparent reference to the United States. The British-based Islamic Al-Ansaar news agency on Thursday said it had a 53-minute tape of bin Laden that was allegedly recorded this month and acquired from a seller who advertised over the Internet. Two days earlier, Al-Jazeera satellite television station aired another tape attributed to bin Laden in which the voice urged Iraqis to back Saddam Hussein and carry out attacks against Americans. U.S. officials said they believed that voice was bin Laden's and it showed his ties to the Iraqi government. In Thursday's tape, the voice says: "In this final year I hurl myself and my steed with my soul at the enemy. Indeed on my demise I will become a martyr." "I pray my demise isn't on a coffin bearing green mantles. I wish my demise to be in the eagle's belly," the voice continued. Imran Khan, who runs Al-Ansaar, said experts contacted by the news agency believed the "eagle" referred to the United States and the quote revealed bin Laden's wish to end his life in a final act of terrorism. Khan told The Associated Press that he translated the tape, describing it as poetic with several verses from the Quran. Khan said the agency, which has released previous bin Laden tapes, had used the same sources to check the validity of the new tape. His claims could not be independently verified. In Washington, U.S. counterterrorism officials were reviewing a transcript of the tape, but said they could not verify it was an authentic message from bin Laden. Officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they could not be certain of the speaker's identity without reviewing the actual recording. On Wednesday, CIA Director George Tenet said he is worried that Tuesday's audio message attributed to bin Laden was a prelude to a strike. "He's obviously raising the confidence of his people. He's obviously exhorting them to do more," Tenet told the Senate Armed Forces Committee. "What he's said is often followed by an attack." On Thursday, Khan said the new Ansaar tape also calls for individual attacks against "Americans and Jews" around the world as well as larger acts of terrorism. Khan said the speaker also bragged about how the Sept. 11 attacks took just a few people to create such damage. Khan said the seller of the tape spoke with a Saudi accent but he declined to say when it was acquired. Khan said Al-Ansaar had held talks with several news organizations about selling the tape and it expected it to be released publicly shortly. In May 2002, Al-Ansaar released a video of bin Laden which it claimed showed he had survived the U.S. war in Afghanistan. But Al-Jazeera said the tape was filmed before the war even began. A spokesman for the Foreign Office said the department was unaware of the tape, saying it would need to hear the tape before considering a response. Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press newsday.com

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (7834)	2/13/2003 10:34:51 AM
From: PartyTime	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

February 13, 2003, 8:38 AM ESTIraqi: Missiles Are Not a Violation By TOM RACHMAN Associated Press Writer ROME -- Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz insisted Thursday that a missile that Russian and U.S. officials contend exceeds U.N.-imposed limits was not a serious or dangerous violation. British Prime Minister Tony Blair said the report about the Iraqi missile could constitute a "serious breach" of a U.N. Security Council resolution on disarmament. Aziz, arriving in Rome for three days of meetings, including talks with Pope John Paul II, told reporters at the airport that "there is no serious violation" concerning the missiles. "It should not be exaggerated. We are still within the limits that have been decided by the U.N.," Aziz said, adding, "We are cooperating and doing our best." "The Iraqi missiles are very short-range and they don't have a guidance system," he said. Aziz said that missiles without the weight of a guidance system can go up to 10 miles beyond its real range. "And that is not very dangerous." International missile experts said they found that the al-Samoud missile's range exceeds the 93 miles allowed under U.N. resolutions, the U.S. and Russian officials said Wednesday. In Rome, Aziz will meet with opposition politicians who have condemned conservative Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi's support for the U.S. position on Iraq. He may also meet Berlusconi's foreign minister. Most significant was Aziz's meeting with the pontiff Friday -- the day U.N. weapons inspectors are to issue what could be a decisive report to the Security Council on Iraq's cooperation. The pope has urged both sides to do everything to avoid war, arguing that the United States should not launch a "preventative" war, and that Iraqi authorities must cooperate thoroughly with U.N. weapons inspectors. The Vatican has strongly opposed a new Iraq conflict, with the pontiff saying such a war would be a "defeat for humanity." The pope was also a vocal opponent of the 1991 Gulf War, and has frequently spoken out in opposition to U.N. economic sanctions imposed on Baghdad after its 1990 invasion of Kuwait. The pope sent peace envoy Cardinal Roger Etchegaray this week to Baghdad, where he held talks Wednesday with top Iraqi officials, including Aziz. Asked if it was still possible to avoid war, Etchegaray said, "Until the end, you must always hope, always. We're in the hands of God." Italy's Berlusconi has been a strong supporter of President Bush's policies. In an interview in Thursday's Corriere della Sera, a Milan daily, Aziz expressed dismay over the Italian premier's backing of Bush, whom Aziz branded "the new Hitler." "What have we done to the Italians?" Aziz said. Aziz, who is Christian, also travels to Assisi on Saturday for peace prayers with Franciscan monks. Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press newsday.com

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (7834)	2/13/2003 10:35:14 AM
From: PartyTime	Respond to of 25898

February 13, 2003, 8:38 AM ESTIraqi: Missiles Are Not a Violation By TOM RACHMAN Associated Press Writer ROME -- Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz insisted hursday that a missile that Russian and U.S. officials contend exceeds U.N.-imposed limits was not a serious or dangerous violation. British Prime Minister Tony Blair said the report about the Iraqi missile could constitute a "serious breach" of a U.N. Security Council resolution on disarmament. Aziz, arriving in Rome for three days of meetings, including talks with Pope John Paul II, told reporters at the airport that "there is no serious violation" concerning the missiles. "It should not be exaggerated. We are still within the limits that have been decided by the U.N.," Aziz said, adding, "We are cooperating and doing our best." "The Iraqi missiles are very short-range and they don't have a guidance system," he said. Aziz said that missiles without the weight of a guidance system can go up to 10 miles beyond its real range. "And that is not very dangerous." International missile experts said they found that the al-Samoud missile's range exceeds the 93 miles allowed under U.N. resolutions, the U.S. and Russian officials said Wednesday. In Rome, Aziz will meet with opposition politicians who have condemned conservative Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi's support for the U.S. position on Iraq. He may also meet Berlusconi's foreign minister. Most significant was Aziz's meeting with the pontiff Friday -- the day U.N. weapons inspectors are to issue what could be a decisive report to the Security Council on Iraq's cooperation. The pope has urged both sides to do everything to avoid war, arguing that the United States should not launch a "preventative" war, and that Iraqi authorities must cooperate thoroughly with U.N. weapons inspectors. The Vatican has strongly opposed a new Iraq conflict, with the pontiff saying such a war would be a "defeat for humanity." The pope was also a vocal opponent of the 1991 Gulf War, and has frequently spoken out in opposition to U.N. economic sanctions imposed on Baghdad after its 1990 invasion of Kuwait. The pope sent peace envoy Cardinal Roger Etchegaray this week to Baghdad, where he held talks Wednesday with top Iraqi officials, including Aziz. Asked if it was still possible to avoid war, Etchegaray said, "Until the end, you must always hope, always. We're in the hands of God." Italy's Berlusconi has been a strong supporter of President Bush's policies. In an interview in Thursday's Corriere della Sera, a Milan daily, Aziz expressed dismay over the Italian premier's backing of Bush, whom Aziz branded "the new Hitler." "What have we done to the Italians?" Aziz said. Aziz, who is Christian, also travels to Assisi on Saturday for peace prayers with Franciscan monks. Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press newsday.com