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To: JohnM who wrote (73582)	2/13/2003 1:41:08 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

John: Bush has backed himself into a corner and blown it on the negotiations front -- we have antagonized our Allies and almost definately committed this country to a reckless and dangerous war (Ellsberg thinks it will be a mistake just like VietNam was...John Mearsheimer thinks it could be avoided with 'vigilant containment'). This is terrible for our economy too...With the uncertainty about war and increased terrorism threats consumers and businesses may become even more cautious at just the wrong time. War is a very serious thing and IMO should be used only as a last resort -- when all other options have been exhausted...I have some young friends over in Kuwait right now (they are part of a Ranger Team)...No sense in seeing young Americans with families go into Iraq and play war games for the Administration that may not have thought things through carefully...Saddam is only really dangerous according to the CIA when his back is up against the wall and he is being attacked...That's when he might be likely to use what we don't ever want him to use...Saddam may also blow up his oil fields and create a massive environmental disaster that would require tens of billions of our tax dollars to contain (it happened in Kuwait before). Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis who have already suffered too much would probably be killed if we start the big bombing campaign in the next few weeks -- I wonder how we'll be viewed in the muslim world..? This is Bin Laden's dream come true -- he is encouraging us to go to war with Iraq and become distracted (he knows it will divide the NATO alliance and weaken our economy)...There are better ways to deal with the threats -- and we need high levels of global cooperation to do it...I am not encouraged by the way this Administration is conducting foreign policy.

To: JohnM who wrote (73582)	2/13/2003 1:46:31 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I would guess one could make a case against the Israeli government for "crimes against humanity" for the Lebanon 82 stuff, perhaps some before and after Evasive, John. The charge was a hundred years of "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" against the Arabs of Palestine. I genuinely don't know. I don't think the mere fact of criticisms at that level renders the charger an anti-semite. Remember, we are only talking about that post of Hermann's. I don't know his work so can't argue one way or the other about it. More evasion. How is it you know enough to comment at first, but when you cannot answer a point, it all becomes beyond you? Hermann is a Chomskyite, he has co-authored books (not on linguistics) with Chomsky. To quote you, 'nuff said. I've seen the signs but I thought we were talking about SI posts, not about protest signs. Are you changing the subject? No, I was talking about common themes of what I did define as anti-Semitism, as opposed to criticism of the Israeli government, which you accused me of defining as anti-Semitism. Are you changing the subject? Without that, the stuff you are complaining about is no more objectionable, perhaps even less so, than the constant refrain of anti-European bigotry, anti-leftist bigotry that passes for punditry in many FADG posts. Oh really? You must show me the posts that accuse France of genocide or advocate that France should be wiped off the map. I must have missed them.

To: JohnM who wrote (73582)	2/13/2003 4:28:48 PM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 281500

would guess one could make a case against the Israeli government for "crimes against humanity" for the Lebanon 82 stuff, perhaps some before and after. I genuinely don't know. I don't think the mere fact of criticisms at that level renders the charger an anti-semite. Remember, we are only talking about that post of Hermann's. I don't know his work so can't argue one way or the other about it. Hmmm, interesting comment. You are an educated man, PhD and all, well-informed, interested in foreign affairs, social justice, etc., and really don't have an opinion on whether Hermann's claim that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing is justified? I'll give you the claim that Hermann is an anti-semite since no one can read another's mind, but surely you have enough resources at your disposal to by now have formed an opinion on the ethnic-cleansing issue. C2@thatdawgdon'thunt.com