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To: mishedlo who wrote (7917)	2/14/2003 2:11:49 AM
From: velociraptor_	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10157

Let's hope we are not going to enter another world war. The last one was not kind to the human race. warchronicle.com

To: mishedlo who wrote (7917)	2/14/2003 4:08:35 AM
From: Warpfactor	Respond to of 10157

"We don't want your oil war, until they dirty nuke Baltimore!!" LOL!! <<In fact one of the causes is that we stuck our noses into too many places it did not belong.>> In simple terms, it seems that you've just stated that it is the USA's fault that 9/11 happened. "We don't want your oil war, even if they dirty nuke Baltimore!! We didn't really like Baltimore anyway, and besides, "we" brought it upon ourselves, "we" deserve it. Maybe it will teach "us" a lesson." -Warp

To: mishedlo who wrote (7917)	2/15/2003 8:11:01 PM
From: Abner Hosmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10157

>>We do not care what the world thinks.<< Who are you referring to: the 18 European nations who have officially backed the US, or the 3 members of the "Axis of Weasels"? Who's example is it that is most recommended to us: the Belgian "Let's amputate them all" butchers of the Congo, the hypocrite Jaques "My proudest accomplishment as foreign minister was building Iraq a nuclear reactor" Chirac, the jew-baiting terrorist Joschka " I supported the Red Army and PFLP" Fischer, or the former chairman of the Young Socialists, Gerhardt "I'll sue you for saying I dye my hair" Schroeder? Just who is Germany's Foreign Minister? jewishworldreview.com Mr. Fischer, you rose in public life as an important figure in the anti-American, anti-liberal, neo-Marxist, revolution-minded German radical left of the generation of 1968. .. You were not a terrorist yourself, but you were a good and active friend to terrorists, weren't you, Mr. Fischer? ..In 2001 the German government put on trial your old friend Hans-Joachim Klein, who had been an underground "soldier" in the Revolutionary Cells, an ally of the Red Army Faction and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The Revolutionary Cells helped in the murder of the Israeli Olympic athletes in Munich in 1972, and Klein himself took part in a 1975 joint assassination operation with Carlos the Jackal in which three were killed. During your testimony at Klein's trial, you were accused of having harbored Red Army Faction members in your Revolutionary Struggle house, the Frankfurt center for the group Revolutionary Struggle, which you co-founded with housemate Daniel "Danny the Red" Cohn-Bendit. You were forced to admit there was some truth in the accusation... (After your testimony, you shook hands with your old terrorist friend Klein. Sweet.) In 1969, you attended the meeting of the Palestine Liberation Organization in which the PLO resolved that its ultimate aim was the extinction of Israel -- that is to say, the extinction or expulsion of the Jews of Israel. Seven years later, Revolutionary Cells terrorists led by your Frankfurt colleague, Wilfried Boese, hijacked an Air France plane to Entebbe, Uganda. France accused of oil-for-peace deal with Iraq online.ie "What's distinctive about the Total contract is that it's not favourable to Iraq, it's favourable to Total," Mr Perle, the chairman of the Pentagon's Defence Policy Board, said during an address in New York. "One can suspect that there's some arbitrage there, that in between the real value of that contract and the cash value of that contract there's a certain amount of political support. Profile: Gerhard Schroeder news.bbc.co.uk In 1978, he was also elected chairman of Germany's young socialists. The young Schroeder was a Marxist and environmentalist. In the early 1970s he idolised SPD chancellor Willy Brandt, whose Ostpolitik promised better relations with communist Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. But somewhere along the line the idealist also developed a taste for smart suits, cashmere sweaters and big cigars - and an ever-present, slightly roguish grin. Rawanda tragedy, French guilt, conniving, and cabals mail.lsit.ucsb.edu The behaviour of the French was worse than that of the Belgians. Eager to become the pivotal power in the Great Lakes region, they aided and abetted the massacres at every turn. The Akazu death squads had received military training from the French; Hutu extremists were always assured of a warm welcome in Paris and the flow of French arms to the Hutus continued throughout the genocide. Whenever the Tutsis regrouped sufficiently to threaten Hutu power, France mounted a discreet military intervention to save its friends. ..More reprehensible by far than anything Clinton did or didn't do in Rwanda was what Mitterrand did. It is no surprise that his son, Jean-Christophe Mitterrand, who ran the Elysee's Africa policy, has now been accused of taking his cut as he kept arms flowing into Rwanda. ..Yet a third African occupied a key position: Kofi Annan, under-secretary-general and head of the UN department of peacekeeping operations. When Dallaire cabled Annan to tell him that secret weapons dumps were being set up, Annan quickly forbade any reconnaissance or arms inspection by UNAMIR. >>I could go on but I will leave off with one more thought. We are 100% FN wrong. It is no wonder 3/4 of the world thinks we have our heads up our arrogant asses.<< Thanks very much. I am happy to return the favor, so I will leave off with one more thought as well, for those on this thread who think that the European approach should recommend itself to us: the words of one of my favorite damned Yankees, in reference to American expatriots living in France in 1869: "It is not pleasant to see an American thrusting his nationality forward obtrusively in a foreign land, but Oh, it is pitiable to see him making of himself a thing that is neither male nor female, neither fish, flesh, nor fowl -- a poor, miserable, hermaphrodite Frenchman!" Mark Twain, "The Innocents Abroad" Hosmer

To: mishedlo who wrote (7917)	2/16/2003 4:28:37 AM
From: Abner Hosmer	Respond to of 10157

We supplied weapons to Hussein We supplied chemicals to Hussein Germany's leading role in arming Iraq atimes.com Expurgated portions of Iraq's December 7 report to the UN Security Council show that German firms made up the bulk of suppliers for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. What's galling is that German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and his minions have long known the facts.. ..In 1991, Iraq fired dozens of Scud missiles at Israel and threatened to arm the missiles with poison-gas and biological warheads. Most of the contents of those warheads were made in Germany or made with the aid of German engineers and technology. .."If we trust our [intelligence] services, and I do, then we know that there exist weapons of mass destruction in Iraq," said Pflueger, and referred to a November 13, 2002, BND briefing of members of parliament's foreign affairs committee in which relevant information was disclosed.. <he> challenged Schroeder to make it public forthwith. This was necessary, he said, "so that Herr Schroeder cannot continue to spread the impression that the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is a figment of George W Bush's imagination". ..The reason the BND (German foreign intelligence service) is well-informed of Iraqi WMD programs - nuclear, biological and chemical - is straightforward: since the early 1980s, it has monitored German exports of dual-use nuclear technologies, precursor chemicals for poison-gas weapons, and "pharmaceutical" products and equipment for biological weapons manufacture to the Middle East. Indeed, there are strong suspicions that it was a silent partner in a Hamburg front company, Water Engineering Trading or WET, which covered for and facilitated such exports. Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said in his January 27 report that tons of Iraqi chemical and biological agents and precursors were unaccounted for. Over the years, well over half of the precursor materials and a majority of the tools and know-how for their conversion into weapons were sold to Iraq by German firms - both prior to and after the 1991 Gulf War. The BND has the details. ..In February 2001, the BND compiled a further report and intelligence chief August Hanning told Spiegel magazine that, "Since the end of the UN inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq," adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities "partly based on the German industrial standard". ..The BND's warnings didn't stop with that report. In April 2001, Hanning told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper that Iraq was developing a new class of chemical weapons, reiterated his alert on Iraq's missile and nuclear programs, and said that several German companies had continued to deliver to Baghdad components needed for the production of poison gas. ..Houston, Texas, attorney Gary Pitts announced late last December that his firm, Pitts and Associates, would soon launch a class action suit on behalf of more than 3,000 sick Gulf War veterans against dozens of European companies accused of helping arm Iraq with weapons of mass destruction. Pitts said he had received a list of 56 international suppliers of equipment and raw materials necessary to make sarin, VX, mustard gas and other chemical agents from the Iraqi government. The list, brought back from Iraq by former weapons inspector Scott Ritter last September, proves identical to one included in a 1998 Iraqi chemical weapons declaration to the UN, resubmitted unchanged on December 7 and withheld from publication by the inspectors - along with other items - for reasons of "sensitivity". ..The list in Iraq's 1998/current chemical weapons declaration contains 31 "major suppliers", 14 from Germany. The 1996/current nuclear suppliers list has 62 company names on it, 33 from Germany. ..Leading the honor roll of chemical agents and production equipment suppliers (in this case nerve gas precursors and manufacturing) to Iraq is the German firm Preussag... Preussag has long been a firm dear to Schroeder's heart. In early 1998, when Schroeder was running for re-election as prime minister of the state of Lower Saxony which he had governed for eight years, he had the state buy 51 percent of Preussag's troubled steel division to the tune of US$500 million.. What did he know about the Preussag conglomerate's Iraq poison gas dealings? Don't ask. ..Included on the Iraqi suppliers' lists are other world-renowned (eg, Hoechst, Daimler-Benz, Siemens, Kloeckner, Carl Zeiss, Schott Glas, etc) and smaller German firms. Notable are Karl Kolb/Pilot Plant and WTB (Walter Thosti Boswau) who built and equipped Iraq's two major "pesticide and detergent" plants which, said a WTB employee, produce "detergents to exterminate two-legged flies" (Spiegel 4/1989, p 24). The WTB undertaking was supported by a credit guarantee for several hundred million German marks by Hermes, a German government export and credit insurer. Noteworthy also is Rhein-Bayern, which supplied Iraq with eight mobile toxicological labs housed in sand-colored, camouflage-painted Magirus trucks. Chemical agents? Biological agents? Machine tools and parts and materials for uranium enrichment and missile production? You name them and the Germans delivered them - and not only that: they supplied the plants and know-how for Iraq to make its own "pesticides" ("to protect the date harvest"), "vaccines" ("to eradicate smallpox and other contagious diseases"), and "x-ray machines". 'Tis no wonder they protest so loudly. Hosmer ...housed in sand-colored, camouflage-painted Magirus trucks.

To: mishedlo who wrote (7917)	2/16/2003 9:02:25 AM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10157

I am Len posting on behalf of Richnorth who is away. By the way, you omitted from your litany that the Americans in South-East Asia were generally called "Ugly Americans" in the 1960s and 1970s. As a matter of fact, a book by the name of "The Ugly American" was published. It is now out of print but you may still get a copy of it from Amazon.com. That book explains how that epithet came into existence at that time. You also omitted to mention that the US set up puppet regimes (in Central America and South America) which perpetrated untold atrocities on their fellow citizens.