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To: techguerrilla who wrote (13011)2/15/2003 2:09:09 PM
From: abuelita  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
ROTF - okay, you win! <vbg>

did you watch the non race yesterday?

here's your quote for the day:

Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to believe.
- Laurence J. Peter (1919 - 1988)


rose



To: techguerrilla who wrote (13011)2/15/2003 4:13:38 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
U.S. Anti-War Movement Based in the Mainstream

By Dana Wilkie
Copley News Service
February 14, 2003

WASHINGTON – One morning soon – before too many surfers or joggers are out – dozens of women in their 50s and 60s will gather on a beach somewhere in San Diego County, take off their clothes, lie on the sand, and arrange their bodies to spell "peace."

Not much later, newspapers will receive photographs – taken from far enough away to make the participating women unrecognizable – that will make clear their anti-war message.

There's a curious group of Americans demonstrating their opposition to a U.S.-led attack on Iraq.

They don't fit the stereotypes of the 20-something who shuns a privileged home for piercings and tattoos, or the Birkenstock-wearing vegan who hangs out with anti-globalization activists and environmentalists.

Whether they are pacifists or former military commanders, poets or high-powered executives, Psychologists for Social Responsibility or Mothers Acting Up, today's anti-war movement appears to run through mainstream America.

"It's become religious groups and labor unions, local politicians, Republicans and businessmen," said Todd Gitlin, a Columbia University sociologist and author who studies social movements. "I think these groups have stepped forward in part to give the anti-war movement legitimacy."

The breadth of the movement may well be on display tomorrow during a day of protest in cities around the globe, including San Diego.

Nobel laureates, Pentagon consultants, corporate chiefs, academics and former military officials, along with more traditional protesters, have joined forces and released statements opposing a unilateral attack on Iraq.

A group of Republicans and business leaders recently signed a full-page ad in The Wall Street Journal titled "Republican Dissent on Iraq."

Retired Vice Adm. Jack Shanahan of Florida was among the signers.

"We need to exhaust every other kind of diplomatic and economic option available to us," said Shanahan, who said he believes many anti-war voices go unheard.

Notably, retired Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, who commanded U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf War in 1991, also has voiced his concerns about moving too quickly to war.

Across the country, women in a group called Baring Witness disrobe at mostly secluded places, arrange their bodies to spell "peace" or "no war." In San Diego, a 60-year-old Encinitas woman – a professor at a San Diego university who asked to not be named – is organizing a group of 30 to 50 women for that purpose.

"Showing our bodies is not something we do, because we've been taught not to do it," said the woman, who would not reveal the time or place of their gathering, except to say her group will be at a North County beach. "This is a different way to get attention, and for me, it's a courageous thing to do."

Francine Anzalone-Byrd, a San Diego woman with Mothers Acting Up, plans to drive to Los Angeles tomorrow for an anti-war march. The 55-year-old mother of three and executive director of an alcohol-and drug-abuse treatment center said she sees "an atypical group of people" at these gatherings.

"They are professionals, teachers, social workers, businessmen and women," Anzalone-Byrd said. "They seem more mature than the college-age crowd involved in the anti-war movement in the '60s."

The nation seems both cautious and divided on U.S. policy on Iraq.

A New York Times/CBS poll published today says 66 percent of Americans approve of war with Iraq as an option. Fifty-nine percent said they believed the United States should give U.N. weapons inspectors more time. Sixty-three percent said Washington should not act without allied support and 56 percent said President Bush should wait for U.N. approval.

Nevertheless, some are skeptical that the anti-war movement is as broad as activists say. Critics argue that protesters are simply more savvy and better organized.

"They're more efficient. They're better at what they do," said Jack Spencer, a defense analyst with the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group in Washington. "It's the professionalization of protesting."

Spencer and other critics argue that anti-war activists are veterans of other liberal-leaning causes who have joined forces to make the anti-war effort seem larger and more vocal than it is.

Experts on social movements say participants in this anti-war movement are more in the mainstream for several reasons. In the early days of the Vietnam War, protests were led largely by college students who opposed the draft and the war. Today, there is no draft.

In the 1960s, the anti-war movement began with people seen as "fringe" types – hippies and the ultra-liberal – and swelled only after the country had been at war for years, with mounting casualties.

Today, the anti-war movement has broadened even before the start of a war.

One expert on protest movements with the Brookings Institution, a center-left group based in Washington, said the nation has become more skeptical of its leaders since Vietnam.

"Back then, there was much more of a willingness to accept the government's word for things," said the expert, Ann Florini. "In this case, we're getting bombarded with information about how strongly the rest of the world opposes this war, and there's a real sense that we don't know why we're doing this."

There may also be fears that a war will hurt the sluggish economy.

"I think people from affluent backgrounds are finally getting it," said Yalonda Sinde, director of the Community Coalition for Environmental Justice. "The economy is waking people up to the fact that, in the scheme of things, it's about more than just getting their piece of the pie. When resources start to dwindle, that makes them see the injustice in a lot of things, including war."

Also, the Internet has helped motivate and organize people who typically would not venture from their homes to protest a war, experts said.

On the Web, for instance, Psychologists for Social Responsibility explains that people might support war because of a primal need to feel secure.

"When we have our banner at protests, others come up and say things like, 'Wow, psychologists are even against the war,' " said Tod Sloan, a member of the group who lives in Tulsa, Okla. "Then they tell us we should try to point out the mental health problems of our leaders. It's sort of comical."

truthout.org



To: techguerrilla who wrote (13011)2/16/2003 1:18:10 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
The Venus Trap

By MAUREEN DOWD
New York Times OP-ED COLUMNIST
February 16, 2003

UNITED NATIONS — The dashing French diplomat dashed around the U.N. like a rock star.

His Excellency Dominique Galouzeau de Villepin, as the elegantly tailored leader of the Euro-whiners is known here, had a huge cordon sanitaire of security guards and aides, even to go to the men's room.

France's foreign minister, a published poet, strode past the now unsheathed tapestry of "Guernica," chased by a polyglot gaggle of reporters desperate to know two things: How did he feel about being warmly applauded by the peacenik spectators and even some of the press in the Security Council — where applause is never heard — after he filleted Colin Powell? And is the rumor true that he visits a tanning salon whenever he comes to New York?

The secretary of state had said the Security Council session with Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei would be "the moment of truth" for Iraq. But it turned into the St. Valentine's Day massacre of America. The weapons inspectors and many of the diplomats, sitting beneath a mural of Cupid blessing a young couple, ganged up to debunk the Bush administration's case to take out Saddam.

Everyone knows Saddam is lying; the question is whether it's worth a war. Mr. Blix undermined Mr. Powell by challenging some of his satellite evidence, and saying that Iraq was beginning to cooperate more and that no proof had yet been gathered that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

Several of the diplomats upbraided the U.S. for, as the Syrian foreign minister said, "putting the world for months on the edge of a volcano."

Mr. de Villepin offered a withering assessment of why war should be "a last resort," and sneered back at the Americans making Gallic sneers.

The French know they have only one stage to play on, the Security Council, and if they fall into line behind the Americans, they lose their influence as leader of the countries opposed to U.S. pre-emption policy.

Even before the U.N. bummer, it had been a bad patch for the White House. So bad that Laura Bush was sent out on Friday to do damage control on the duct tape debacle. Mayor Bloomberg had slapped Tom Ridge, calling his advice to shrink-wrap homes preposterous. Osama had slapped America. Alan Greenspan had slapped President Bush on tax cuts and the deficit.

But the duel between Mr. de Villepin and Mr. Powell that ended the week underscored the Venus-Mars disconnect over Iraq.

Even leaders who would be happy to be rid of Saddam Hussein are put off by the Bush team's locker room taunts, counter-terrorism doctrine to "compel" other nations to get in line and bullying bromides.

President Bush, going to the martial setting of a Florida naval station, challenged the U.N. to show "backbone and courage," to stand up to Iraq or be seen as "an ineffective, irrelevant debating society." The subtext was not subtle: Are you important or impotent?

Rummy has painted the French and Germans as old biddies and East Europe as the virile new stud on the Continent.

Even some hawks think the administration's rhetoric is gratuitously gladiatorial. Radek Sikorski of the American Enterprise Institute said on the Diane Rehm radio show, "there is sometimes a little bit too much testosterone in the air in these trans-Atlantic exchanges . . . and sometimes in these matters flirtation and compliments do more good — achieve aims — than, shall we say, a more direct approach."

The real reason the Bush team has leapfrogged Iraq over more urgent priorities is that conservatives won't be happy until they erase what they see as the emasculating legacy of leaving Saddam in power, back when we were tied up with our coalition of nervous Nellie allies.

Henry Kissinger summed up the logic of conservatives: "If the United States marches 200,000 troops into the region and then marches them back out . . . the credibility of American power . . . will be gravely, perhaps irreparably impaired."

The painful parts of Washington history have often been about men trying harder to save face than lives.

With or without the fussy Frenchies, we're going to war. For this White House, pulling back when all our forces are poised for battle would be, to use the Bush family's least favorite word, wimpy.

nytimes.com