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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (8535)	2/15/2003 2:16:51 PM
From: James Calladine	Respond to of 25898

C B C . C A N e w s Canadians rally for peaceful end to Iraq crisis Last Updated Sat Feb 15 14:13:11 2003 TORONTO-- Braving freezing cold temperatures, thousands of Canadians gathered in cities across the country to join the worldwide day of protest against war in Iraq. Protests were planned in Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Halifax, Windsor, Fredericton, Edmonton and Victoria. As many as 10,000 people turned out for a peaceful protest in Toronto, forcing the closure of a major downtown street. Protesters plan to leave a large banner in front of the U.S. consulate reading "Don't Attack Iraq." Toronto resident Elaine Brandt calls the worldwide war protests wonderful. She says Saturday's protest is the second one she's been to in two months. "I am here to voice my opinion against the murder of innocent Iraqi citizens - we cannot continue to deal with political issues with violence - the bottom line is innocent people will pay. And that's what I am against," said Brandt. But others are publicly voicing their support for the U.S. Patricia Persovsky attended the Toronto rally wearing a sign reading, "May God Bless America - 9-11 was the smoking gun boys." She says Canada should back the United States in its war on terrorism. "And I'd like to know where the naturalized Canadian citizen are - the ones that gloriously holiday in Vegas, Florida, North Carolina…they enjoy America's Disneyland - why am I the only one here with a sign?" said Persovsky. She says she's ashamed of Canadians and the Canadian government for not supporting the United States. In Montreal, thousands braved temperatures of more than -20 C to protest military action. Signs carried by the crowd read "No to War", "Stop Bush", and "A village in Texas has lost its idiot." In Fredericton, N.B., more than 300 people turned out in front of City Hall to protest the U.S. stance on Iraq. Chanting "wage peace" and "war is not the answer", the crowd stopped traffic to march through the city's downtown. Protester Bridget Grant says the message is simple: war is not a solution. "Canada should not support the U.S. in this war…we should work through the United Nations if possible," said Grant. Organizers plan to hold a peace vigil in front of Fredericton's City Hall every Saturday afternoon until the threat of war passes. Written by CBC News Online staff cbc.ca

To: PartyTime who wrote (8535)	2/15/2003 2:22:23 PM
From: BubbaFred	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

Iraq waits blissfully for the bombs to drop "They visited Basra, where they saw the effects of depleted uranium on human lives and witnessed deformed newborn babies radioactivity. This was all the result of US bombing in the last Gulf War in 1991; but today, said Trish, nobody in the West even cares." Iraq waits blissfully for the bombs to drop By Syed Saleem Shahzad atimes.com BAGHDAD - Travelling from Amman in Jordan to Baghdad, there is not much to suggest that one is entering a land threatened by imminent invasion by the most powerful nation the world has known. From first contact at the immigration counter to the last conversation with a vendor on the street, there are only the smallest of suggestions that this is a city on the brink of destruction. Not that Baghdad is a normal city, however. Far from it. For one thing, in the era of globalization, Baghdad is a land cut off from the rest of the world. Mohammed sits idle and worried in his Royal Jordanian Airlines office, where continuous Internet disruptions have kept him out of touch with company headquarters, as well as the rest of the world. He tells this correspondent that this has been the routine for the past several weeks. Ditto a local businessmen named Saad, who says that his only contact with the outside world lately has been by telephone. He hasn't received an email for at least two weeks because the government checks every email at the local server and blocks whatever it finds suspicious - and some things that it doesn't. Most ordinary Iraqis seem unconcerned with the imminent war. Apparently, there are two reasons for this strange-seeming nonchalance. First, there is virtually no satellite transmission for general Iraqi people. Mobile telephones are banned. The government has banned email websites such as Hotmail and Yahoo. The only access to email servers is through local services that are heavily monitored. Quick action is taken against any suspect. The media are bound at every step to ask and receive permission to use email; otherwise, authorities spare no time in deporting them. These extraordinary actions are not meant to be rude, say officials at the Iraqi Media Relations Ministry, which is responsible for enforcing them; they are merely reflections of the national emergency that prevails in the country. For the foreign press in Iraq, there is not much to report beyond the occasional handout from Saddam's presidential palace. There are few official events or attractions. One showcase for the foreign press is the 15-member US team sponsored by the non-governmental organization Global Exchange that has come to Baghdad to act as a human shield against bombing. A woman named Trish, along with other 15 other activists, tried to draw the attention of dozens of reporters all over the world in Baghdad when they displayed a banner saying, "WE HAVE FOUND THE SMOKING GUN" along with a drawing of a petrol pump nozzle. "Had the US been sincere in a desire to take action against chemical weapons, it should have taken North Korea first," Trish said. "But as North Korea is not sitting on huge oil reserve, the US doesn't bother." She mentioned that group members come from all over the US and every segment of society, from costume designers to church ministers. She said that they had stayed in Iraq for the past 10 days at their own cost. They visited Basra, where they saw the effects of depleted uranium on human lives and witnessed deformed newborn babies radioactivity. This was all the result of US bombing in the last Gulf War in 1991; but today, said Trish, nobody in the West even cares.

To: PartyTime who wrote (8535)	2/15/2003 6:32:21 PM
From: LTK007	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

<FoxNews, literally, is mere pep talk for Bush.> Keep in mind Rupert Murdoch considers Oliver North a great man and that he some years back said Pat Robertson should be President of the United States. And now this far far right wing extrememist is trying to take over DISH and powers to be in the far right will probably push to see that Murdoch gets DISH. Ted Turner has been, i gather, taking his hands off the control of CNN. I like to know how Turner would react if shown the CNN and BBC transcripts. I would like to think he would carve meat to get to the bone of just who did a "Big Brother -1984" cleansing of the transcript. Keeping in mind Turner despises Murdoch and has denounced him a threat to the media because he is a far far right extremist. But i would love to have this thrown at Dan Rather and see if Dan still has the balls to make heat and make it a story. I know if i was in his seat i would make this a story and ask CNN to explain their censoring process. I had someone at dinner in discussion today say "but Bush gave such a excellent speech post 9/11". And i said he did well, that one time; but now that honeymoon is over. I said in my view Shrub is just the hand picked dimwit the old guard Nixonians needed. I don't doubt Kissinger is in this ball game. Powell himself must be tossing and turning at night , he wants out of this BS, but he made a pledge to stay a loyalist until 2004 when he then would resign. One matter vaguely positive about these events is the ever dominating jjallens and Haim Brainsteaus and Groundzeros types don't have Silicon Investor to themselves any more to pour out their relentless bilge.Max