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To: NickSE who wrote (74357)2/15/2003 9:16:14 PM
From: NickSE  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Leaked memo attacks NATO trio
heraldsun.news.com.au

NATO chief George Robertson has accused three European countries of "vandalising" the alliance by blocking an agreement on defending Turkey, according to a leaked memo seen by AFP today.

The memo also says NATO intelligence indicates Iraq has moved missiles close to the Kuwaiti border and could use them pre-emptively.

"Today's (NATO) intelligence reporting ... shows that Saddam has moved CBW-capable ballistic missiles close to the Kuwait border," Robertson says in the memo, originally reported by Belgian state television. [.....]

Belgium Offers Steps to End NATO Deadlock
abcnews.go.com

BRUSSELS, Belgium Feb. 15 —
Belgium offered a compromise Saturday to end a bitter dispute within the NATO alliance over providing military aid to Turkey in advance of a possible war against Iraq.

Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said Belgium, France and Germany would endorse a U.S. proposal for such help if NATO makes clear the aid is defensive in nature and must not be seen as making the alliance a participant in war preparations against Iraq.

NATO called an urgent session of the ambassadors of its 19 member states for Sunday to discuss the proposal. [.....]



To: NickSE who wrote (74357)2/15/2003 9:40:13 PM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Not all peace activists are cynical, but some are so cynical as to approach depravity.

In 1941, Pete Seeger recorded an album of anti-war songs entitled Songs for John Doe. It condemned British Imperialism and called Roosevelt a war-mongering fascist who worked for J.P. Morgan:

Ballad of October 16th:

It was on a Saturday night and the moon was shining bright
They passed the conscription bill
And the people they did say for many miles away
'Twas the President and his boys on Capitol Hill.

CHORUS:
Oh, Franklin Roosevelt told the people how he felt
We damn near believed what he said
He said, "I hate war, and so does Eleanor
But we won't be safe 'till everybody's dead."

When my poor old mother died I was sitting by her side
A-promising to war I'd never go.
But now I'm wearing khaki jeans and eating army beans
And I'm told that J. P. Morgan loves me so.

'C' FOR CONSCRIPTION

Well, it's 'C' for Consciption
And it's 'C' for Capitol Hill!
Well, it's 'C' for Consciption
And it's 'C' for Capitol Hill!
And it's 'C' for the Congress
That passed that goddamn bill!
[YODEL]

I'd rather be at home,
Even sleeping in a holler log,
I'd rather be here home,
Even sleeping in a holler log.
Than go to the army
Be treated like a dirty dog!
[YODEL]

WASHINGTON BREAKDOWN

Franklin D., listen to me,
You ain't a-gonna send me 'cross the sea,
'Cross the sea, 'cross the sea, You ain't a-gonna send me 'cross the sea.

You may say it's for defense,
But that kinda talk that I'm against.
I'm against, I'm against,
That kinda talk ain't got no sense.

Lafayette, we are here, we're gonna stay right over here...

Marcantonio is the best, but I wouldn't give a nickel for all the rest...

J. P. Morgan's big and plump, eighty-four inches around the rump...

Wendell Wilkie and Franklin D., seems to me they both agree,
Both agreed, both agreed,
Both agree on killin' me.

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Ironically, Songs for John Doe was released the same week that Hitler broke the non-aggression pact with Stalin and invaded the Soviet Union.

Seeger recalled the album and almost all copies were destroyed. Seeger then wrote the following pro-war song, urging Roosevelt to fight Hitler:

DEAR MR. PRESIDENT

Dear Mr. President, I set me down,
To send you greetings from my home town,
And send you best wishes from all the friends I know
In Texas, Alabama, Ohio,
And affiliated places. Brooklyn, Mississippi.

I’m an ordinary guy, worked most of my life,
Sometime I’ll settle down with my kids and wife,
And I like to see a movie or take a little drink.
I like being free to say what I think,
Sort of runs in the family...
My grandpa crossed the ocean for the same reason.

Now I hate Hitler and I can tell you why,
He’s caused lots of good folks to suffer and die.
He’s got a way of shoving folks around,
I figure it’s about time we slapped him down,
Give him a dose of his own medicine...
Lead poisoning.

Now Mr. President, we haven’t always agreed in the past, I know,
But that ain’t at all important, now,
What is important is what we got to do,
We got to lick Mr. Hitler, and until we do,
Other things can wait,
In other words, first we got a skunk to skin.
War means overtime and higher prices,
But we’re all willing to make sacrifices,
Hell, I’d even stop fighting with my mother-in-law,
‘Cause we need her too, to win the war...
Old battle axe.

Now as I think of our great land,
Of the cities and towns and farming land,
There’s so many good people working every day,
I know it ain’t perfect but it will be some day,
Just give us a little time.

This is the reason that I want to fight,
Not because everything’s perfect or everything’s right.
No. it’s just the opposite... I’m fighting because I want
A better America with better laws,
And better homes and jobs and schools,
And no more Jim Crow and no more rules,
Like you can’t ride on this train ‘cause you’re a Negro,
You can’t live here ‘cause you’re a Jew
You can’t work here ‘cause you’re a union man.

There’s a line keeps running through my head,
I think it was something Joe Louis once said,
Said, "There’s lots of things wrong,
But Hitler won’t help 'em."

Now Mr. President, you’re commander-in-chief of our armed forces,
Ships and planes, and the tanks and horses.
I guess you know best just where I can fight,
All I want to be is situated right...
To do the most damage.

I never was one to try and shirk,
And let the other fellow do all the work,
So when the time comes, I’ll be on hand,
And make good use of these two hands.
Quit playing this banjo around with the boys,
And exchange it for something that makes more noise.

So Mr. President, we’ve got this one big job to do,
That’s lick Mr. Hitler and when we’re through,
Let no one else ever take his place,
To trample down the human race.
So what I want is you to give me a gun,
So we can hurry up and get the job done.

Words by Pete Seeger (1942) Tune: traditional ("talking blues")
© 1993 by Stormking Music Inc.

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You see, war is ok when you're fighting to save Uncle Joe.

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