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To: Lane3 who wrote (4537)	2/17/2003 1:45:07 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

"Jewel, tunnel vision is not what I'm talking about. Why do you keep harping on that?" I must have gotten you confused with some one else. I thought that your position is anyone has the right to choose suicide (a liberty) at anytime and that society has no right to sanction the choice. I thought your position was that assisted suicide was a subset of this and extended to both the suicidal person and the assistant. "What I'm talking about is genuine hopelessness. I've defined my minimum quality of life as the ability to take nutrition through my mouth, eyesight, enough use of at least one arm so I can scratch my own nose and work the TV remote control, and sufficient freedom from pain that I can be distracted from my pain by the TV or other activity. Failing that on a permanent basis, I'm outta here. Life is not worth living." I am not sure we can define what would be genuine hopelessness ahead of time, since my observations are that human beings are remarkably adaptable. I have observed quite a few "I couldn't live like that" claims, where the they did end up living like that. I don't know a single person where things worked out exactly as planned. "Would you really insist that I stick around for a decade or two in that condition burning up resources that could be put to better use? How would that benefit society?" I doubt that I could have the real power to make any thing I insist upon stick, in your case. The First question for me is the reverse. Why do you think I have to condone your personal life and death decisions or to validate them? The second question is, why are resourses an issue? I can see how that would be an issue for someone else who wanted those same resources but not in reference to their usefulness to you. Are you sure that you want to include that as an element in the assisted suicide discussion? I understand some of the struggle you and your father are going through. I have elderly dependants also.

To: Lane3 who wrote (4537)	2/17/2003 6:12:18 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

<<"circling the drain," as he puts it, >> That's a neat phrase. At the coffee shop "selling his boat" means terminal cancer because when guys get the news that is what they do. I remember talking to a guy who went to Scotland and bought a sport coat made out of Shetland Wool. He asked how long it would last and the salesman said "It will see you out". I was in the men's clothing business for 20 years and remember one old guy. He wanted a 2 pants suit, a coat and 2 pants used to be an option, because the last one lasted 35 years. He was 92. Now that's optimism. BTW, I used to collect and candle eggs with him when I was a kid.