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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: ajax99 who wrote (9415)2/17/2003 5:08:35 PM
From: AK2004  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25898
 
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re: when the facts do not support your position use propaganda - it worked for Hitler
now I know where you are getting your inspiration



To: ajax99 who wrote (9415)2/17/2003 5:09:34 PM
From: Crimson Ghost  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 25898
 
Even Pat Buchannan questions war. And he ain't no liberal.

The '50-Years War'?

Posted: February 17, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

by Pat Buchannan.

WASHINGTON, D.C. – "May your enemies live in interesting
times," runs the old Chinese saying. Our times become more
interesting by the day.

On the South Capitol Street Bridge here sits an Avenger
anti-aircraft missile battery prepared to shoot down any
private plane or commercial airliner that appears about to
crash into the Capitol.

Area residents are being urged to buy three days of dry food
and bottled water, and duct tape to seal off one room, to
survive a chemical, biological or radiological ("dirty bomb")
attack on D.C.

The terror color code has been raised to orange, representing a
heightened threat of attack. There is only one higher level, red.

As the CIA director testifies to Congress that we could face a
terror attack by this weekend, Osama bin Laden has released
an audiotape urging Muslims to launch suicide attacks on
Americans and pro-American regimes in Morocco, Jordan,
Yemen, Pakistan, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. Expressing his
contempt for the "socialist" and infidel regime of Saddam
Hussein, Osama nevertheless calls on all Muslims to fight
America in the coming Iraqi war.

A question arises: If Osama believes, as he apparently does
from this tape, that a U.S. invasion of Iraq is a glorious
opportunity to rally Muslims from Morocco to Malaysia to
start a jihad against "crusaders" and "Jews," can such a war also
be in the interests of the United States?

The other day, I interviewed a terrorism expert. How long, I
asked, will we have to live with these terror alerts, and will the
coming war on Iraq make us more or less secure from
terrorism?

His answer? In the short run, the war will make us less secure.
In the long run, disarming Iraq will deny terrorists access to at
least some weapons of mass destruction. But we must expect to
live with terror alerts for the rest of our lives, he said, as this
war will last as long as the Cold War itself.

It is remarkable how complacent Americans seem to be, as our
freedoms are gradually restricted, and more and more power
and wealth flow to Big Government to protect us from
terrorists.

Rarely is the most fundamental question asked that we ask
about all of America's wars: What was the cause of the war?

In the splendid new film "Gods and Generals," Robert E. Lee
and "Stonewall" Jackson are portrayed as Virginia patriots who
fought to defend their state from an invading army and to be
free of a Union that would make war on their kinfolk, just as
their forefathers had fought the British Army to be free of
England. Union patriot Joshua Chamberlain tells his brother
they are fighting in Virginia for the idea that men shall no
longer be enslaved in these United States.

But in this war on terror, what are we fighting for?

The simple answer is that we are fighting to be free of terror.
President Bush ordered the invasion of Afghanistan to
overthrow the Taliban that had given sanctuary to Osama and
his al-Qaida network that had planned Sept. 11, and to kill them
or scatter them to the four corners of the earth.

And what are they, the terrorists, fighting for?

Here the answers becomes murky. We say the terrorists hate
us because we are free, democratic, prosperous and good – i.e.,
they hate us for our virtues. But what reasons do the terrorists
give for hating and attacking us?

Osama says we are "crusaders" who have vassalized Arab
countries and corrupted Islamic peoples with our decadent
culture, that our soldiers defile their holiest lands, that we
persecute the Iraqis with savage sanctions, and help the Israelis
rob Palestinians of their land and freedom. And they are
willing to die to drive us out of their countries, their region and
their world, as they died to drive the Russians out of
Afghanistan.

Now, for his crimes, Osama deserves death. But is he telling the
truth about why he and his followers hate, attack and kill us?

What makes these questions relevant is that we are facing a
second Cold War, which is going to cost us heavily in our
freedoms. And great majorities of Arab and Islamic peoples
seem to share bin Laden's detestation of our policies and our
presence in their world.

If 9-11 was the opening shot in America's 50-Year War on
Terror, what will history say was the cause? That America was
attacked because we were free, or that Islamic jihadists
attacked us to drive us out of their world? Have we no choice
but to drink from this bitter cup for the next half century, or
can this be war on terror be averted, consistent with America's
honor, freedom and security?

Is it too late to avert this 50-year war?



To: ajax99 who wrote (9415)2/17/2003 7:31:14 PM
From: Machaon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25898
 
<< I did not see one person who supported Saddam at the March for Peace ... >>

After the Gulf War of 1990-1991, around 600 citizens of Kuwait disappeared, when the Iraq butchers left Kuwait. They are still missing.

Was there ONE sign among the protesters that demanded the return of the 600? Was there ONE sign that protested Saddam's development of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons? Was there ONE sign that protested Saddam for murdering thousands of his own people with chemical weapons?

You say that you didn't see one person supporting Saddam? I didn't see one protester who didn't support Saddam.