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To: hmaly who wrote (161496)	2/18/2003 4:10:57 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574071

Ted Re... I don't think Europe was necessarily looking to "brandish its power"; however, a militaristic, aggressive US may force into rethinking its position and where it wants to go from here. Isn't that really what the outcry over Kyoto is. A realization that the US wasn't going to cut back their economy, under the guise of global warming, and that the EU would have to find a different way to throttle the US so they can compete. What part of "Germany and France are two of our biggest trading partners and a slowdown in our economy means a slowdown in theirs'" do you not get.......or are you suggesting the two nations are self destructive? The liberals realized their economies couldn't compete, and they were going the route of the dodo bird, if they couldn't contain the US. Well, you have all explained in a nutshell......far leave to me to argue with you. Militaries are aggressive, that is life. Businesses are aggressive, that is life. While the EU may throttle the US in aggression in intervention, their real goal, to save their liberal agendas, is probably doomed as their real competition is China, India, etc. The US in the eighties took the measures it took to beat back the competition from Japan, and became stronger because of it. Europe has to do the same. That's it.....might makes right; load those damn torpedoes; lets blow our former allies to smithereens.........they weren't worth all the hassles. ted

To: hmaly who wrote (161496)	2/18/2003 5:26:13 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1574071

.......what makes Saddam so special? Nothing, other than the fact that we're going after him now...others should follow. I have good news and bad news. First, the good news.......you guys have almost convinced me that Bush truly is a compassionate conservative and that we are going after Saddam on human rts grounds.......that what Saddam did to the Kurds is despicable even though no one can agree exactly as to what he did. He is a cad! Now, the bad news.......Turkey, our ally and coalition member....maybe...so long as we pay up with big unmarked bills under the table........ has not been all that nice to the Kurds either. It seems they killed around 30-40k Kurds in the 1980s, and then maybe another 40k Kurds since 1992. It also appears that Turkey is on everyone's hit list for being a major human rts violator to almost everyone within its borders but particularly to the Kurds. So I was going to suggest we take out Turkey.......you know kill two birds with one stone, keep the national deficit down......be a good American. However, then I kept looking at more articles about the Kurds. Forget that the Kurds wiped out 100k Armenians back in 1915.....that's really kind of old news. But then it turns out that their military unit, the PKK......yes, the Kurds have their own military unit; now where was I....ahhhh, yes, the PKK has been attacking Turks, and Iraqis and Iranians.....in fact, they have been described using the dreaded T word. Yes, that's right.......they are considered to be TERRORISTS and its reported that part of their repetoire is, you guessed it......suicide bombings. Now, frankly, what's a normal, reformed liberal quasi conservative, albeit compassionate westerner to do. Is there no end to this Middle East madness? And do you think the president knows, and if you're not sure, could you leave a message at GOP party headquarters? Oh well, you almost had me convinced.......now I am back to: Iraq NO WAR! wfn.org ozgurluk.org encyclopedia.com In Turkey, where the government has long attempted to suppress Kurdish culture, fighting erupted in the mid-1980s, mainly in SE Turkey, between government forces and guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which was established in 1984. The PKK has also engaged in terrorist attacks. In 1992 the Turkish government again mounted a concerted attack on its Kurdish minority, killing more than 20,000 and creating about two million refugees. In 1995, Turkey waged a military campaign against PKK base camps in northern Iraq, and in 1999 it captured the guerrillas' leader, Abdullah Ocalan, who was subsequently condemned to death. Some 23,000-30,000 people are thought to have died in the 15-year war. The legal People's Democracy party is now the principal civilian voice of Kurdish nationalism in Turkey. The PKK announced in Feb., 2000, that they would end their attacks, but the arrest the same month of the Kurdish mayors of Diyarbakir and other towns on charges of aiding the rebels threatened to revive the unrest. There were also clashes in the 1990s between the Kurds of Turkey and Iraq.