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To: Lane3 who wrote (4640)	2/19/2003 5:37:46 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 7720

OK so you meant its arrogant to dismiss the POV of others or more specifically its arrogant for the US to dismiss the POV of other countries. I would say there is something to that idea but 1 - I don't think listening to and disagreeing with someone is exactly the same thing as dismissing their ideas out of hand. One can argue about how much Bush and his administration have really listened to the French and German governments (and governments like Saudi and Egypt and Jordan) about this issue, but I think they at least had examined many of the ideas in internal debate before finally settling on supporting the use of force. Getting back to something that we have discussed before concerning disagreements with Europe, the Bush administration (particularly Rumsfeld) could have been more diplomatic about the disagreement... and 2 - If we have dismissed the POV of others then it would also be fair to say that they have done the same to us. Have you seen this article yet? It examines the differences between the way Europe and the US look at using war and some of the reasons for these differences - policyreview.org

To: Lane3 who wrote (4640)	2/19/2003 8:12:42 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

You fail, I think, to identify the difference between "dismissing the POV" of other countries and understanding but disagreeing with their POV. Otherwise, you're going to have to say that we should always do what the other countries want us to, and that's not what you stand for, I know.