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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (10787)	2/20/2003 7:30:42 AM
From: Vitas	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 25898

>Clearly no deadline is noted in UN 1441, and anyone without an agenda reading the UN document would agree.< There is a deadline noted. The deadline is 30 days after the date of the November 7 resolution. Period. Unless you want to burn your copy of UN 1441, it is there. Period. >Vitas, you remind me of the hate bug in the Doctor Who Comic book< you are lying, corrupt, and spiteful in your vendetta against our President George Bush, and will stop at nothing to try to twist the story your way. It is obvious in everything you write, and is a fact. You really should get over it seek professional help our country is involved serious matters and you owe it to our country - oops confused already I'll bet >That established, you're gonna hate the proof that's now in this pudding. For your enjoyment and intellectual persusion, please read and learn:< it would help if you would present something new. The declaration would merely confirm the fact of material breach, as outlined by Blix: Message 18604070 >>>U.S. and British officials said Wednesday the short resolution, to be circulated later this week or early next week, would declare Iraq in "material breach" of its U.N. obligations to completely eliminate its weapons of mass destruction -- a determination that can be used as legal justification for the use of military force.<<< it says clearly - can be used it does not say "necessary" - nothing new there >"A determination that can be used as legal justification for the use of military force." Now, had UN 1441 explicitly stated this, well then I'd agree with you. You do understand that "serious consequences" means nothing like what's described at the beginning of this paragraph.< serious consequences includes war - ho hum, or do you want to tell us that war is not a serious consequence? >>>"It is time for the Security Council to consider a resolution that says Iraq is in material breach," said Richard Grenell, spokesman for U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte<<< nothing wrong with that but is is not "necessary" or "required" if you think that it is, show us where it says so >Whereas you, and Bush, are making a claim Iraq already is in material breach, that doesn't matter.< you mean you and Blix >and What matters is the UN has to declare so.< no, the language of UN 1441 states that within 30 days Iraq had to submit "a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes" and Blix' finding was: "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance, not even today, of the disarmament that was demanded of it." "Blix explained that the 12,000-page weapons declaration delivered by the Iraqis on Dec. 7 failed to answer key questions concerning, among other things, the whereabouts of deadly VX nerve gas that Iraq weaponized back in 1990, growth material for biological warfare agents and some 6,500 poison-gas munitions." see the magic date, December 7? that was the report that Iraq filed that was due that day from the issuance of UN 1441 "Blix explained that the 12,000-page weapons declaration delivered by the Iraqis on Dec. 7 failed to answer key questions concerning, among other things, the whereabouts of deadly VX nerve gas that Iraq weaponized back in 1990, growth material for biological warfare agents and some 6,500 poison-gas munitions." "Blix added that the 12 empty chemical warheads discovered last week "could be the tip of the iceberg," and that Iraq has engaged in missile development and testing that it is forbidden by U.N. resolution." "Perhaps more to the point, Blix made it clear beyond reasonable doubt that Iraq simply refuses to cooperate in any substantive way with inspectors - in itself a violation of the relevant resolutions." Blix has already found that the report that was due by 7th, and was so filed by Iraq, was in material breach of UN 1441. Period. >I'm surprised you couldn't understand this earlier. It was so plain and clear.< I see you are still hunting. and confused. Please let us know when you actually have something rather than kicking up everything you possibly can find so that you might find the slightest particle of dust to defeat the basic premise as stated in my post: Message 18603717 give us a good laugh - WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSED DEADLINE?

To: PartyTime who wrote (10787)	2/20/2003 4:10:52 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

*Behind the scenes of the confrontation with Iraq* The War Behind Closed Doors -Check out this FrontLine special on local PBS stations tonight at 9pm EST / 60 minutes -Behind the scenes of the confrontation with Iraq, including the driving forces behind the Bush administration's push for war with the country. Feb 20 9:00pm -For more information go to... pbs.org The War Behind Closed Doors As America teeters on the brink of war with Iraq, FRONTLINE takes viewers inside the key White House policy battles and discussions that have led the Bush administration to pursue the end of Saddam Hussein's regime. In "The War Behind Closed Doors," airing Thursday, February 20, at 9 P.M. on PBS (check local listings), FRONTLINE reveals the internal political machinations and maneuvering that have led the White House to abandon a long-standing policy of "containment" of Iraq in favor of the more aggressive stance of launching preemptive strikes against Iraq--or any nation or group--believed to pose a threat to American security. Through interviews with key administration officials, policy analysts, and observers, the one-hour documentary also exposes a long-running policy battle between two powerful Washington insiders: Secretary of State Colin Powell and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. At the moment, observers say, Wolfowitz appears to be winning, as George W. Bush calls for military action to preemptively disarm Iraq--a move that many believe has become his administration's signature foreign policy stance. "Bush is redefining not just his presidency, but kind of the foreign policy for the United States for the foreseeable future," says Washington Post staff writer Daniel Balz. But the policy of preemption--which is now being referred to more and more frequently as the Bush Doctrine--hasn't always enjoyed such a favorable White House reception. In "The War Behind Closed Doors," FRONTLINE traces the policy's roots to a report prepared by Wolfowitz following the end of the Gulf War in 1991. Unhappy that the war had ended with Saddam Hussein still in power--a victory for the containment policy championed by Colin Powell, then serving as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff--Wolfowitz drafted a new policy, one that spelled out in no uncertain terms that the United States would "preempt" the use of nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons by any other nation, even in parts of the world "where our interests are otherwise not engaged." When Wolfowitz's draft was leaked to the media, the first Bush White House was decidedly unhappy, insiders say. "I remember the day that appeared on the front page," says William Kristol, former chief of staff for Vice President Dan Quayle and now editor of The Weekly Standard. "It was clear there was unhappiness at the highest levels of the White House about this document." The White House ordered the document rewritten to emphasize the administration's stated support for containment of Iraq. Some observers, however, say this support was based on a flawed analysis of the situation. "The problem for the [first] Bush administration at this point in time is that their whole policy toward Iraq was predicated on a false assumption [that] Saddam wouldn't be in power," says former CIA analyst Ken Pollack, author of The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq. "The War Behind Closed Doors" recounts how Wolfowitz's policy document gathered dust for most of the 1990s, as the Clinton administration struggled to deal with Saddam Hussein's defiance of U.S. and U.N. containment policies. The documentary also recounts how the election of George W. Bush renewed the containment vs. preemption battle, as Colin Powell ascended to secretary of state and Paul Wolfowitz assumed the number two position in the Defense Department. The political stalemate, observers say, ended on September 11. "It does seem very clear that this [preemption] group seized upon the events of September eleventh to resurrect their policy of going after Saddam Hussein and a regime change in Iraq," Pollack says. Through detailed interviews with key insiders, "The War Behind Closed Doors" recreates the policy battles and key decisions made in the days and weeks after September 11 up through the current push for military action against Iraq. The documentary also reveals how the containment and preemption factions continue to do battle, outlining the victories and defeats each side has tallied in the long march to war with Iraq. Following the broadcast, visit FRONTLINE's Web site at www.pbs.org/frontline for extended coverage of this story, including: Transcripts of the interviews conducted for this report; A complete chronology on the evolution of the Bush Doctrine; Additional background on this report, and much more. FRONTLINE is produced by WGBH Boston and is broadcast nationwide on PBS. Funding for FRONTLINE is provided through the support of PBS viewers. FRONTLINE is closed-captioned for deaf and hard-of-hearing viewers. The executive producer for FRONTLINE is David Fanning. Press contacts: Erin Martin Kane [erin_martin_kane@wgbh.org] Chris Kelly [chris_kelly@wgbh.org] (617) 300-3500 FRONTLINE XXI/February 2003