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To: RealMuLan who wrote (75963)	2/20/2003 12:37:49 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>China has not done what the US has done to Mexico.<< Not only did we take their land, we took the part with the good roads. >>Tibet and China can only be compared to the 500 Nations of the Native Americans and the USA.<< I am always astonished that the US is singled out in the history of the Americas. Nobody bitches about how the Canadians treated their own Native Americans, nobody bitches about how the Mexicans treated their own Native Americans, or the Cubans, or the Guatemalans, or the Brazilians, or the Venezuelans. You know why? Ignorance. You know all about how the Japanese treated the Chinese, but you really don't know anything about how the Native Americans were treated, in any nation in the Americas. The Cubans killed all theirs. Enslaved them, made them work on sugar planations, until they all died. Did you know that? The Mexicans enslaved theirs, made them work in the silver mines until they died, but not all of them. Did you know that? In many parts of Latin America (example, Guatemala), if you are part Indian (mestizo) you are scum compared to people who are purely European. Did you know that? No. That's my guess, anyway. You read someone ranting about how the Native Americans were treated by Americans, and it sounded cool, so you glommed onto it. Something to throw in the face of Americans who are outraged at the way the Chinese treat the Tibetans today, not a hundred or two hundred years ago, but today. It's ok to kill Tibetans today because some Americans killed some Native Americans a hundred years ago, or two hundred years ago. I would be very surprised if you didn't realize that was bullshit. Not that you can say it out loud. I am part Cherokee and part Chippewa, and if you can tell the difference without resorting to Google, I'd be astonished.

To: RealMuLan who wrote (75963)	2/20/2003 2:15:05 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<China has not done what the US has done to Mexico> Wrong. Every nation creates a mythology about itself, so they can Believe they are superior to the Others. Your claim that China is a peaceful nation that never seeks to dominate/colonize other ethnic groups, is as historically false as the claim that the U.S. is the most tolerant and free nation on earth. Look at what China has done to Manchuria in the 20th Century. It is almost exactly what the U.S. did to the Great Plains tribes in the 19th Century. Manchuria was the ancestral homeland of the Manchu people. Beginning in the 1800s and continuing till today, the Han Chinese colonized Manchuria, so, today, the Manchus are a tiny minority in their own homeland. The Han didn't even give the Manchus any Reservations, they left them with nothing. Which is payback and then some, for what those "northern barbarians" did to the Han earlier. And, today, the Chinese are doing the same thing in East Turkestan and Tibet, sending in Han colonists to permanently change the demographic balance.