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To: kodiak_bull who wrote (18961)	2/20/2003 10:19:50 PM
From: Steven C. Vartan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

As someone whose grandfathers family was wiped out by the Turkish muslims the issues are greater than Israel. KB has hit the nail on the head with the political/religious power politics of fanaticism. One of my uncles was in Iran during the Eisenhower adminsistration and his observations were interesting. When you went a few miles outside of the major cities you went back n time about 3,000 years. A feudal system with the landlords having life & death power over the peasants. Peasants living in mud hovels. Tremendous levels of secret police control. Not much has changed. If you look at it on a very fundamental people level. MOthers and fathers want their children to be safe, have the basic necessity of life. It is in the economic interest of the west to have a breakout of world peace so the overcapacity of production we have can be rationized on an international basis. The fundamental problem is cultural and communication. How to get there is a major challenge.

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (18961)	2/20/2003 11:15:49 PM
From: el_gaviero	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Kodiak, If we get into a discussion of the Israeli/Palestinian problem, we’ll be forty years wandering in the wilderness, but given current events, we have to think a little bit about what is going on over there. Don’t take my disgust with Israel as a defense of the Palestinians. They are a disaster – but a disaster receiving no subsidy from us. When a suicide bomber from Ramallah blows up a bus of Israeli children, I don’t have blood on my hands. Not so the other way around --- when for example Israeli soldiers refuse to let pregnant Palestinian women through blockades in order to get to hospital with difficult deliveries, or when they shoot a men and his son as they crouch behind a garbage can, or fire rockets into crowded tenements. The fight between the two peoples seems perfectly symmetrical to me --- the Palestinians want to throw the Israeli out of Israel, and the Israeli want to throw the Palestinians out of the West Bank. Why are we taking sides in this quarrel?