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To: Enigma who wrote (93704)2/22/2003 10:13:00 PM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116796
 
<<Richard you are talking nonsense.Break down your sweeping assertions about Gore one by one - wuth some evidence for your wild claims>>

Hardly as wild as you claim.
Here is proof Gore would have had the Government take over the entire delivery of Health Care in the US:

"Saturday, February 22, 2003

Gore Endorses Canada's Medical System

by William L. Anderson

[Posted November 29, 2002]

In a recent newspaper interview, Al Gore finally came out of the socialist closet and declared that the "solution" to what he deems as a "crisis" in U.S. medical care is for the government to impose a "single payer system." While some folks might consider Gore's remarks a setback to the possibilities of actually establishing free market healthcare in this country, actually I believe it presents an opportunity for advocates of freedom and private property to make the case that should have been made all along.

It would seem to the casual observer that Gore's remarks come at a curious time, his party having suffered some terrible electoral defeats in the last election cycle. Furthermore, a proposal to create a Canadian-like system in leftist Oregon was defeated 80–20 at the polls. Surely if Oregon voters, many of whom are as left-wing as their counterparts in San Francisco, were not willing to impose a socialist system in their state, I doubt that the majority of American voters are going to imitate Canada. Then again, never underestimate the awful possibilities that democracy can create, especially since the driving force of modern politics is raw envy.

At the same time, it seems that Gore has forgotten that the present Republican majorities in Congress are due in large part to the failed "HillaryCare" initiative of nearly a decade ago when the Clinton Administration attempted to de facto nationalize the health care industry. Therefore, it might seem that Gore might be fighting an uphill battle, but I have no doubt that no matter how flawed a proposal he presents, one can count on entities like the New York Times, Washington Post, Time, and the various television news outlets, along with "Public" Television to carry some of the water for socialist medicine. In other words, no matter how bad the argument for government healthcare might be, there are still people out there willing to make it.

Before going further, I need to point out that in politics, marketing an idea is everything. In 1990, Harris Wofford won an upset victory in his bid for U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania, as he campaigned on the theme that since prisoners in Pennsylvania's prisoners received "free" medical care, then all of Pennsylvania's citizens also were deserving of such "free" care. That medical care in prisons is second-rate and is administered to people whose freedom has been taken away did not seem to connect with the enthusiastic voters who somehow believed that they were receiving substandard care while prisoners were having favors lavished upon them.

(Apparently Pennsylvanians conveniently forgot that they, too, could have all the luxuries of prison life, including free housing, three squares a day, and "free" healthcare. All they had to do was to violate the increasing number of criminal statutes churned out by the state legislature or Congress and such luxurious comfort could have been theirs.)

Henry Hazlitt remarked in Economics in One Lesson that the lessons of the "broken window fallacy" must be learned by every generation. Since I doubt that any generation has learned the proper lessons regarding socialist medicine, those of us who understand the real damage that government does in this area must be willing to explain and explain again just why intervention by the state into medical care will result in making things dangerously worse for all of us.

Despite the many disasters of socialized medicine, there are a number of reasons why even the idea of socialized medicine remains popular. I will list some of them, and also give reasons why they are still bad ideas, despite the almost endless procession of advocates.

Socialist Medicine is Egalitarian

It is no secret that most Canadians and Europeans consider themselves to be morally superior to Americans, especially when it comes to their medical care policies. While the actual technical delivery of those policies might differ from country to country, the results pretty much are the same.(cont)

mises.org

Washington

The federal government (with the active support of the Clinton-Gore Administration, Janet Reno, and the U.S. Justice Department), under a recent federal court decision upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, has ordered sixteen Indian Tribes in the Puget Sound region of Washington State to confiscate the property rights and privacy of 200,000 private beach property owners who have lost the quiet use and private enjoyment of their front yards along with the right to exclude others from their property due to a ruling by Judge Edward Rafeedie which granted tribes the right to take privately-owned shellfish from more than 2,000 miles of both public and privately-owned tideland beaches.
unitedpropertyowners.com


For Immediate Release
January 13, 1999
Al Gore Embraces Federal Land Use Control
As Presidential Platform

WASHINGTON (DC)-Vice President Al Gore’s "Livable-Communities Initiative," the final details of which will be announced next week, leaves no doubt that a Gore Administration in 2000 would pose an unprecedented threat to private property rights. The Initiative is a three-part agenda which would entail the use of a federal grant program doling out $10 billion a year of federal tax dollars allowing states and local governments to purchase now privately owned land for public open space areas and parks. It would create federal tax incentives (costing taxpayers another $500 million to $1 billion) for creating more local open space and parks. Last but not least, Gore wants to launch a whole new federal regulatory and administrative regime designed to slow local growth. This, of course, is the heart of the anti-property rights proposal.

This initiative follows Gore’s October 1998 proposal to "save" the Everglades by flooding 170,000 acres of fertile farmland. This plan was just another attempt to confiscate private property without the owners’ consent. The Vice-President’s $8 billion plan to trade farms for swamps will put a severe dent in America’s agricultural productivity.

According to Nancie G. Marzulla, President of Defenders of Property Rights, "This proposal should strike fear in the heart of anyone who believes that the people who live in a community know best how that community should be developed. The notion that a federal bureaucrat in Washington, D.C. should be able to tell residents of Dripping Springs, Texas or Ely, Minnesota whether they can build a grocery store or have a new video store in suburbia is ludicrous."

There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes federal control over zoning or local land use. In fact, this Fifth Amendment’s Just Compensation Clause demonstrates the opposite. Namely, to the extent that the federal government wishes to control, i.e., act like an owner of private property, it has to purchase property.

Defenders of Property Rights is the only national public interest legal foundation designed to protect private property rights


defendersproprights.org

need I go on?



To: Enigma who wrote (93704)2/23/2003 11:32:34 AM
From: long-gone  Respond to of 116796
 
Where Have All The Cowboys Gone?

Rural America and its way of life are under attack. Disparate interest
groups, from the federal land bureaucracy to the environmental movement and dozens of other organizations, want control of an invention they call
"public land" and the "ecosystem." A process has been under way for
decades, which changes names and redefines concepts.

A case in point: the great outdoors, which once needed to be conserved, became an ecosystem, which needs eco-management. The name change may not seem important, but changing names is a tool used to reshape the psychology of the public in order to prepare them to acquiesce to a new regulatory order.

What's In a Name?

Renaming land and calling it habitat or ecosystem doesn't change the nature of the land. But those words offer a veneer of scientific legitimacy and mystery for what Americans used to understand to be swamp and pasture.

'Thus, the way was paved for a new set of control freaks to tell the rest of America how it is going to be.' The stereotypical "soccer mom" is being propagandized into believing that she needs government and environmental experts to run things "scientifically" for the benefit of "everyman."

The constant use of the term public lands implies a divine right for a nameless, faceless "everyman" to have control over vast areas of the U.S., even though this "everyman" does not make a home, raise kids or earn his living anywhere near that land.

"Everyman" has replaced the rancher and farmer as a sort of absentee owner, while the government acts as caretaker and rule maker guided by an activist environmental movement.

When the United States was formed, the Founding Fathers never intended to hold onto large tracts of lands in perpetuity. Various acts of Congress, including the Land Act of 1866, specify that federal lands should be dispersed. Immense tracts of "public lands" were held under the dictum that they would be administered under the government for beneficial use of those living in the locality.

However, instead of dispersing lands in its control, the federal government bought up more, placing it under pleasant sounding euphemisms such as "wilderness" or "preserves."

The existence of National Parks, however, is a separate issue and their existence was limited to certain unique natural and geographical areas. Few would complain about Yellowstone or Yosemite or Glacier under the administration of the National Park Service.

However, problems arise as millions and millions of acres are declared "park" or "wilderness," in areas that were slated to be given away to individuals or states, sold, or administered in terms of "beneficial use." All of it came under the discretion of the Department of the Interior and its agencies; the Bureau of Land Management, Forest Service, and the increasingly military-style U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.



Federal Feudalism

At the present time nearly two-thirds of the landmass in the West is under one form or another of federal government control. Nearly 90 percent of the State of Nevada and 66 percent of the State of Idaho are federally owned or administered.

(Only, 13% of the land in Arizona is available for private use.)

Between 1996-98, a massive scandal erupted in Nevada over the transfer of BLM land around Las Vegas to developer Del Webb. Webb was a huge contributor to the Democratic Party and to the campaign of Senator Harry Reid, D-NV. The losers in this transfer were the ranchers in the northern part of the state, as their water rights were traded to the federal government in exchange for BLM land near Las Vegas.

Just before the 1996 election, Bill Clinton declared over a million acres in the State of Utah, the Escalante area, as protected under the Antiquities Act. He did that without making sure it was okay with the State of Utah, its people, the congressional delegation, or the governor. The elites were in ecstasy. Terry Tempest Williams, self styled expert and "poet" to the environmental movement, along with Robert Redford, movie actor and owner of large tracts of land in the West, were delighted.

So were the monolithic, federally subsidized environmental groups and the coal producers of Indonesia. The Escalante is home to one of the largest deposits of clean burning coal in the world. Not surprisingly the Riyahdi family, owners of large coal deposits in Indonesia, were contributors to the Clinton re-election campaign. In his 1999 State of the Union address, Bill Clinton proposed increased funding to buy even more land to "save" for future generations. While current generations of ranchers, loggers and miners go the way of the American Indian, buying up land to "save" it may make the elites happy, but it does nothing for a way of life rapidly disappearing into the Western sunset.

In the name of eco-management, the projected "Wildlands" project is the goal of the guardians and proponents of this private property buy out. This project will mean that a strip of land from the Mexican border into Canada will be off limits to human beings; except with permits and controls.

Grizzlies and wolves will have a corridor to wander and people will be limited as to where they may live and may not be allowed to buy land near that corridor. Al Gore's "urban sprawl" crusade is part of this effort to lock up more land for federal use. His version of urban sprawl doesn't simply mean too much traffic or out-sized housing developments around Denver or Seattle. It may also mean command and control of some American citizen's 20 acres in Montana or New Mexico.



The Price of Being Green

The average American does not fully understand how the cumulative impact of environmental propaganda, as currently implemented by the federal government, affects his/her life.

Nor does he/she realize how little control he/she has over what goes on in public lands. For that we are paying a dear price. Environmental regulations add a $4,200 financial burden to the average American family's costs each and every year. It might be worth the extra money if such financial burdens were not based on poor and often unscientifically based environmental science.

According to philosopher, scientist and environmental expert Alston Chase, the "scientific research" of environmental groups depends on an incestuous blend of government scientists with the environmentalists' own hired guns, yielding so-called science that crosses the line between ideology and
partisanship at every turn.

One of the results of this combination of pseudo-science and politics is the wedge driven between classes. It has come down to a class war between privileged urbanites who give millions to environmental causes, and the rural poor. Deplorably, the idealism which inspires urbanites to give to environmental groups, is also hurrying the demise of a valuable way of life which happens to be rural and based on the use of natural resources.

Rather than honor and help the rancher or farmer learn from mistakes, the environmental movement in tandem with the federal government has invented restrictions and controls, which makes criminals of people trying to earn a living. In order to speed removal of these "despoilers" the government has come up with the Wildlands project to buy out the Cowboy. The final result is that the concept of private property is being diluted and becoming a quaint idea whose time has run out.

The environmental propaganda war is costing the modern rancher and he must face some bitter economic facts. According to government statistics, the average rancher is lucky if his yearly earnings reach $30,000 after costs. Nearly 98 percent of all ranches are small or mid-sized with less than 500 head of cattle. Twenty-two percent of farm families live at the poverty level. The average profit is 5 to 10 cents per pound of beef; hardly enough to buy a limousine and a house in Florida.

The environmental movement portrays the livestock producer as an "overgrazer" who wants to kill wolves and eagles 'because ranchers are "mean-spirited" and don't appreciate the "diversity" of an "ecosystem."' If the rancher is really foolish enough to allow overgrazing he puts himself out of business! This same "mean-spirited" Cowboy, working in fair weather and foul, is trying to save his foals and calves and his way of life from both four- and two-footed predators.

The government complicates his life further by deluging him with a blizzard of paperwork. For instance, an environmental impact statement is required whenever the rancher wants to do something with his land, such as put in a new stock pond or grade a road into the back-40.

Government agents regularly invade private ranches looking for "endangered species," because the manipulation of environmental regulations has successfully circumvented the constitutionally guaranteed right to private property. For all intents and purposes, if an endangered species is found on private land, such land is rendered almost totally worthless, because the species becomes more important than any use the rancher or farmer may have had in mind.

The Way of the Cowboy

Urban citizens assume America will always have its agricultural capability and that somewhere there will always be Cowboys. Statistics would indicate that if the destruction of the rural way of life continues apace, with its loss of millions of acres of range and farmland to "wilderness" or recreational uses or development, the United States may become as dependent on other nations for food as it is for oil. Our self-sufficiency, which is largely responsible for America's strength and independence, will become a memory. For the time being, large corporate farming seems to be the wave of the future. Unfortunately, oft-times, corporate farms are run by absentee owners who have no sense of place or pride in community.

'Sustainable Communities' is the buzzword for Al Gore's environmental program; yet current and future environmental policies destroy the very thing they are supposed to save.

Soccer moms and Cowboys pretty much want the same things - a clean environment, better education, a decent way of life, a growing economy, safety and security - in short, a better world for their children and grandchildren.

In the long run, a pseudo-scientific environmental regime administered by a growing and powerful government bureaucracy will cost all Americans dearly, both financially and as free and independent citizens of a once great Republic.

Sadly, in the future, it is possible that children will ask a question
similar to one that contemporary man asks about the American Indian. Only
the question will be,

"Mommy - where have all the Cowboys gone?"



BY: Steve Farrell and Diane Alden
September 27, 1999