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To: Berry Picker who wrote (34363)2/23/2003 1:19:07 AM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 39621
 
hmmm...you can't lump~sum human experience like that .

In the sum total of human experience of life on earth , we know now to be well in the many 1000's of yrs before Christ , some glimmers of perception and intuition into the mystery of it , was shining thru always. Even back to the first cave painters .

It would be impossible to say that "these" were wicked, and those were bad , but perhaps a new "kingdom" idea was apppropriate . But the idea was not unique to any one scripture. Certainly the campaigns of those kingdoms against one another were brutal and should have been condemned. Rome was certainly ready for some "conversion" and that was a turning point , though I don;t know really if Christianity made it better . There was much wisdom as well as iniquity there present.

The first encounters of Jesus' calling was in the desert you'll remember. A personal thing with his Creator.
Then it begins, finding his calling , his own illumination.
Then to go on to help others with their own perhaps.

The "devil" and demon stuff is pretty much pure fantasy , someone later was taking great literary license with that , for easier consumption and shock value. They often did this with scriptures everywhere . Jesus was experiencing this "Great Experience", and was trying to convey what it "illuminated" and what was eternal.

It (our own psyches) had been approached on that level before, just different language and place and time. It all fits into a mosaic , or what the Hindus refer to as the Universal "Net of Gems". Very old stuff that , far older than the Bible, but the same essence .

People are just people you know ....everywhere. But "Life" itself ? It is always a "Great Experience".



To: Berry Picker who wrote (34363)2/23/2003 1:36:00 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Is it Luke 2:21?

Nothing remains the same , except what men are born with within...

Christianity today , for instance , is nothing like what it was centuries ago. Or is it?

Where is that "eternity" you seek then ?



To: Berry Picker who wrote (34363)2/23/2003 2:24:31 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Another instance of that "illumination" of the "Great Experience" being conveyed...

The Roman ...the one at the crucifixion who senses it listening to
Jesus there up on the cross forgiving and blessing and proclaims "this man is inncocent"
and is struck in his own heart by this realization of what he is really seeing.

That "experience" conveyed to the Roman , who had no experience before of Jesus "prescence". Well that must have been a very poignant moment for him. This "recognition" by him is what I am trying to convey to you . It is potentially there with all of us to see it .

That must have been an experience for that Roman soldier to remember , to see the God & humanity within himself , up there on the cross , and they were not easily fooled .

But the realization the Roman soldier had at the moment , being a pagan and knowing nothing of "Christianity" , for it was just being born before his eyes then . Well that is something , isn't it ? It was already there within him.

There is something universal in men ...even the hardened are drawn to. Wonder how he spent the rest of his
evening , that Roman? Maybe he bought a farm somewhere and hung up his sword? Maybe not...