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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (12147)	2/23/2003 8:24:45 PM
From: HG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

I still consider that it's possible to have talks with him and actually gain his assistance in tracking down the real terrorists: Al Qaeda. But Bush is hellbent and determined to, like Saddam, make a name for himself. I agree. It was possible for both - Bush and Saddam - to have made a name for themselves. Even win a Nobel Peace Prize in the process. It was soooo damn easy to have let saddam save face, achieve the disarmament thru spreading health, education and prosperity in the region...and turning the winner (US&Bush) into a bigger winner. We're gonna have to spend much more now for a killing machine and make the world our enemy when we could have won a lot of allies in the world and exclusive gas and rebuilding contracts with Saddam too. And if someone says says US doesn't wanna do business with a despot - what else is Musharraf? And the Chinese? And the Saudis...not to mention a buncha other despots we nurture... Bush has been awfully stupid.....awfully awfully stupid ! I'm sure he must be tortured by his own thoughts of what he could have done, but was stupid enough not to have.... But we've come too far.....the war now is a done deal...

To: PartyTime who wrote (12147)	2/23/2003 8:48:46 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 25898

You're denial is a bit shopworn at this point. Denying a terrorist link to the Iraqi regime is a bit silly given that Hamas has offices in Baghdad....

To: PartyTime who wrote (12147)	2/23/2003 8:54:04 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

That what he's holding back are the same kinds of chemicals that he used defensively against Iran and the Kurds during past warring conditions. DEFENSIVELY?????????? Are you serious? IRAQ STARTED THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR, FELLA! So how is his use "defensive"? You appear to be so deeply into the enemy's thought patterns that you couldn't find truth any more with both hands and a guide dog. I'd also say that the use of that word to justify his use of chemical weapons against other Iraqis is highly questionable. That's like claiming Sherman's use of a scorched earth policy on the march through Georgia was "defensive". Get off it. The ONLY reason Iraq didn't use them in Kuwait was that they were an easy conquest when he initially attacked and that wasn't necessary, and then when he was being kicked out, it was by US troops who would do much, much worse to him if he did. It's my suspicion he will use them if the US attacks Baghdad. President Bush has made QUITE CLEAR what the consequences of THAT will be. I bet he doesn't. If he does, then he has proven he really does rank with Hitler because he doesn't care if his people are incinerated. Defensive, my a$$.

To: PartyTime who wrote (12147)	2/23/2003 9:05:45 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 25898

Al-Shahhristani has been in and out of Iraq numerous times since '91. He has set up and underground network to suggle people and intel out of the country. He's not opposed to the war either....although concerned about casualties in the civilian population.....

To: PartyTime who wrote (12147)	2/23/2003 11:51:09 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

I commend you for having an article which mentioned the man in your thread header. I also don't believe the US allegation that there is a terrorist link, due to the inherent contradictions of what Saddam represents and what OBL represents. Re.the contradictions between Saddam and the Islamist terrorists - its true Iraq is a largely secular country but otoh Saddam makes a show of being a devout Muslim - having a koran written in his blood. Furthermore, they have in common an enemy (us), the greatest unifier of all. OBL did list Iraqi sanctions second in his list of complaints justifying his fatwa calling on Muslims to kill Americans everywhere. Furthermore, we know Zarqawi and his agents have spent time in Baghdad which could not have happened without Saddam's approval. In fact, Zarqawi was in Baghdad when Zarqawi's men murdered USAID official Lawrence Foley in Amman. The arch-terrorist Abu Nidal (real name Sabri Al-Banna), was sheltered in Baghdad for years until last year when he "committed suicide" by shooting himself in the head four times (apparently with Bush deciding to get tought with Saddam after 9/11 he realized Nidal's presence would be used against him). Saddam pays a cash bounty to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers some of whom have killed American citizens in Israel (and not just by accident apparently - the Hebrew university cafeteria bombing targeted an area of the cafeteria known to be frequently used by Americans visiting or attending the institution). Saddam has been one of the providers of money and arms to Hezbollah, which has committed several big attacks against American targets in the Mideast - including our embassy in Lebanon - bombed twice, the US Marine barracks in 1983, the murder of a Navy diver on a hijacked plane in 1985. Saddam has been supporting terrorists who have been attacking us for decades now. The information connecting Saddam to terrorism in Sec. of State Powells address to the UN is buttressed by all this other already publicly available information. So your opinion that that it's possible to have talks with him and actually gain his assistance in tracking down the real terrorists: Al Qaeda is just wishful thinking.