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To: greenspirit who wrote (76957)	2/23/2003 10:01:51 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It is pacifism, not democracy, that makes for peace. I mean the robust pacificm of Switzerland and Sweden. They combine a willingness to defend themselves, with an unwillingness to attack others. Which is a rare combination. And these peaceful nations (yes, democracies) define "defence" strictly and narrowly; unlike the democratic U.S.A., which defines "defensive war" to mean "every war we fight". Democracy has nothing to do with making a nation peaceful. There are just too many counter-examples, of democratically elected leaders who are more than willing, really eager, to use force to achieve national goals. Of which the current U.S. leader is a prime example. I could list 50 others, from memory.

To: greenspirit who wrote (76957)	2/28/2003 6:07:09 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi MDC; Re: "... I would bet the population had no idea Hitler was going to take on practically every nation in Europe ..." Now that you mention it, when I voted for W I had no idea that he was going to take on the 100 million strong Arab nation. It'd be one thing if the Arabs were pacifists, but instead a lot of them don't seem to mind having their children blown to bits to make political points. Militarily, I'd rather take on the Germans. At least with them the war is over when you've crushed their government. -- Carl