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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (76981)	2/24/2003 5:52:33 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I think Claybourn's points are quite good, but at the same time it's worth looking at some things from a European perspective. For example : 2) Most Europeans cannot conceive how traumatic 9/11 was to us. Many of them expected us to "get over it" by now and see us as wallowing in self-pity and prone to paranoia and childish temper tantrums now. There are a few older German women who meet at a place I like for a late French style lunch, and now and then I chat with them about Europe, France, and so on. One of them told me once that "Germany will never go to war again", and she said this with such conviction that I really have to believe that the insanity of Hitler, the ensuing pummeling taken during WWII, and the Berlin Wall has indelibly marked the population there. It's something that most in the US can't really understand either, it must have had to be lived to have any idea even if the present generations didn't directly experience it. I don't deny other factors - residual communism, latent anti semitism, generic sour grapes over America's position in the world today behind a lot of the things we hear, but some of the pacifism is no doubt sincere and not just the copycat Need To Feel Self Righteous.