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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (13083)	2/26/2003 12:21:00 AM
From: Vitas	Respond to of 25898

>>>calling for Saddam to be tried for war crimes<<< ever hear of "jurisdiction"? duh

To: PartyTime who wrote (13083)	2/26/2003 12:34:26 AM
From: Tom_H_68	Respond to of 25898

Perhaps you missed the dates on my earlier post... --------------------------------------------------- 857 cartons of detailed files kept by the Iraqi secret police describing genocide against the Kurds emerged in 1991-92. Time 1 June 1992: 200,000 to 300,000 killed (late 80s) AP 7 Dec. 1991: 200,000 k (1986-1991) Chicago Tribune 26 May 1992: 200,000 to 300,000 (1988-91) ---------------------------------------------------- Notice that they are all late 80's early 90's. There's no doubt the economy is in the dumps, but if you think that all this is so that Bush can energize a reelection campaign I think that you're lying to yourself. As for being tried for war crimes...Do you think that you're going to drive into Bhagdad and drive him out in a paddy-wagon? If by falsification of fact you are referring to my post about Kurdish genocide, the references are there - I'm not going to look them up for you. If you are referring to broken UN resolutions - good luck finding a country that will claim that Hussein has NOT broken any resolutions. I don't think that this move is as politically motivated as you suspect. It's been coming for 12 years. With that - I bid good night. Nice debating with you. tom

To: PartyTime who wrote (13083)	2/26/2003 12:34:30 AM
From: Karen Lawrence	Respond to of 25898

Welcome To America Eugene Angelopoulos is a Professor at the National Technical University of Athens. New York University invited him to speak at a conference on Philosophy and Politics last week. But when Professor Angelopoulos arrived at John F. Kennedy airport, he was detained, shackled, and asked if he is anti-American and whether he opposes the war against Iraq. This is the first time his story is being told. I spoke with him late last week. When Professor Angelopoulos arrived at John F. Kennedy airport, he was detained, shackled, and asked if he is anti-American and whether he opposes the war against Iraq. PRESS PLAY TO LISTEN Tape: Eugene Angelopoulos, Professor, National Technical University of Athens. Professor Angelopoulos agreed to the FBI's request for a second interview on condition it be held on what he considered neutral ground, at New York University. When he returned to his hotel after leaving the Democracy Now! studios, he found a phone message from the FBI asking him to instead come to the New York Field Office so that they could have an "uninterrupted conversation." He respectfully declined their request. I spoke with him a little later outside the Greek Consulate on Manhattan's Upper East Side. He was on his way to the airport where he would take the last flight out of New York before the blizzard. Tape: Eugene Angelopoulos, Professor, National Technical University of Athens, speaking outside the Greek Consulate. Professor Angelopoulos addressed the Philosophy as Politics conference at NYU on Feb. 15. He opened his address with these remarks: "Many centuries have gone by from the time when Athens was the leading democracy of the world. Being the cradle of democracy and philosophy did not prevent Athens to declare war and slaughter the citizens of Milos for the declared reasons, 'If you are not with us, you are against us and we must make an example,' as reported by Thucydides - an Athenian man. "Today US troops are preparing to invade Iraq while lots of US citizens demonstrate their opposition to war. Today the leading democracy of the world is the United States. Contradiction is inherent to democracy and every time, one term of the contradiction prevails. I don't know if this is a fight between good and evil: this is for this assembly of philosophers to debate. But it is good for the world to know that America has many choices and voices, and not only the one of her president. Hope is not dead, and I am sure this conference will help keep hope alive." Professor Angelopoulos caught the last flight out on Sunday night, just before the snowstorm shut down Kennedy airport. He is spending a week in Paris, France, where he hopes to find a little peace. Source: Democracy Now