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To: PartyTime who wrote (13491)2/26/2003 10:19:04 PM
From: ForYourEyesOnly  Respond to of 25898
 
Rebel vote stuns Blair

121 Labour members vote against war · Biggest ever revolt against a government · Tory support helps save PM

Michael White, Patrick Wintour and Nicholas Watt
Thursday February 27, 2003
The Guardian

Tony Blair's Iraqi war strategy was shaken to the core last night when 121 Labour backbenchers defied a three-line whip to join a cross-party revolt and tell the prime minister that the the case for military action against Saddam Hussein is not yet made.

The vote, which came at the end of an impassioned and impressive six-hour debate in the House of Commons, dramatically reshapes the debate for the three crucial weeks ahead.

The scale of the revolt - the biggest within a governing party for more than a century - saw Mr Blair's plea for endorsement of his pro-UN approach to disarming the Iraqi regime rejected in favour of a "not yet" amendment by 198 rebels, including 121 Labour MPs, 52 Liberal Democrats, 13 Conservatives and 12 nationalists. The vote against the amendment was 393, with Iain Duncan Smith leading most Tory MPs into the Blairite lobby.

Jubilant rebels rubbed home their point when the bland main motion backing Mr Blair's position was carried by 434 to 124. Fifty-nine Labour MPs voted against.

The rebellion spread far beyond the hard core of 30 to 40 leftwing MPs who have consistently opposed western military interventions. It easily surpassed the 67 who rebelled against disability cuts in May 1999, and the 47-strong revolt over lone parents' benefit in December 1997.

The vote "demonstrates there is no public support for a war. The prime minister has failed to convince the public or the party. It's time for him to think again", said the leftwinger Jeremy Corbyn, who has been campaigning against Saddam's brutality since the 1980s when his regime was backed by the west.

But satisfaction was not confined to rebels. "This is a really sophisticated vote. Tony now knows he has to go along the UN route, which he didn't know on his own. It needed the demonstrations and this vote and it's what Britain should do," said one senior minister.

The scale of the rebellion undermines Mr Blair's belief that he can send 40,000 British troops into action even if an "unreasonable veto" by France or Germany denies him the vital second UN resolution. He remains confident that he will get it.

The one consolation for Mr Blair was that moderate rebels such as Chris Smith, whose amendment it was, said they could still be persuaded.

"There may well be a time for military action ... but at the moment the timetable appears to be determined by the decisions of the president of the US," Mr Smith, a former cabinet minister, told MPs.

Mr Kennedy - abused by Tory MPs as "Neville Chamberlain Charlie" for his increasingly anti-war stance - called it a "very significant parliamentary occasion. Despite investing massive political and party capital the government has still failed to persuade almost one third of the house".

What the Liberal Democrat leader called "a potent signal" to No 10 and the White House may help Mr Blair slow down what critics regard as the Bush administration's "rush to war" before Hans Blix's weapons inspection team has succeeded - or failed - in tracing all Iraq's lethal arsenal.

Clare Short, the international development secretary, who yesterday told MPs that the UN must have a major role in any post-Saddam reconstruction of Iraq, is also likely to feel vindicated. She has been the cabinet's most outspoken dove.

But the vote could increase the impatience of Washington's hawks who dislike both Mr Blair - a European social democrat - and the "UN route" he favours. Paris and Berlin will see the vote as proof that they have shown better judgment in calling for 120 more days of inspection.

Government whips had steadily increased the expected scale of the revolt as a succession of US and British initiatives to sway sceptical voters failed - and a million people protested in Hyde Park against the prospect of war.

But last night's numbers exceeded even the rebels' own estimates. Some MPs said that the anti-war intervention of Kenneth Clarke, the former Tory chancellor, was the night's decisive speech.

The Tory frontbench publicly backed the government - only to see ex-cabinet grandees such as Kenneth Clarke, Douglas Hogg and John Gummer side with the mainly Labour rebels and Liberal Democrats.

"The Tory A team on the backbenches voted with us, the frontbench B team showed they were completely out of touch and had nothing to say," said a Labour former minister who predicted even more grassroots pressure against the war this weekend.

Though the payroll vote of 96 minister-MPs and their unpaid PPSs stayed solid, some senior ministers were privately pleased that Mr Blair will have to press even harder to ensure that the UN security council endorses any military action if Saddam fails to comply fully with resolution 1441 and the weapons inspectorate.

The votes came after a passionate debate in which a succession of MPs - speaking as well as voting against their own colleagues - had batted the issue across the Commons for over six hours trying to sway waverers between Mr Blair's bland endorsement of his policy so far and the "not yet proven" option.

Rebel MPs who claimed to be speaking for public opinion repeatedly argued that last night's vote would be their last chance to vote against a war within weeks.

But ministers promised two more votes - one after next week's Blix report on progress made by the UN's weapons inspectors - and another on military action, preferably before any war might start.

Jack Straw made the pledge after being enraged by remarks made overnight by the Labour chairman, John Reid, to the effect that there would be no more major votes.

The foreign secretary went straight to Mr Blair to win a commitment to more votes, something Downing Street had been wary about. At question time yesterday, the prime minister had invoked the historic royal prerogative right to declare war - which Mr Straw now regards as outdated.
politics.guardian.co.uk



To: PartyTime who wrote (13491)2/26/2003 10:37:29 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 25898
 
* that Bush prematurely committed too great of a military force, such that he's now boxed in with the need to use it to save face.

What!! We've had forces there for for years now, containing Saddam while the UN "inspectors" played hide and seek (between games of patty-cake) with Saddam... The fact that Bush went to the UN in September, and successfully obtained permission from the US congress for use of force against Saddam, it is clear that it has been the UN and it's European members who have incessantly delayed enforcing those UNSC resolutions.

Had it not been for the US requirement that Saddam comply with the 1991 cease fire agreement, the European UNSC members would have lifted the economic sanctions against Saddam and acted like everything was fine. But the US has held their feet to the fire and forced them to enforce those resolutions.

It's my view he should send most of this force to the North Korea theater, and have UN forces replace the American forces so as to continue to apply pressure on Saddam.

Now that's just about crazy... N. Korea isn't likely to do anything, despite all the bluster. And even if they do, what vital US interest is at stake there?? They have no oil, are unlikely to defeat S. Korea, or "nuke" Tokyo.. And the majority of their people are malnourished..

Furthermore, the Chinese, who might enjoy seeing the US "distracted" by Kim Jong Il, have LITTLE desire to see another Korean war break out. Personally, I'm inclined to continue "mentioning" the possibility of a US exit from the Korean peninsula in order to make the point all too clear that the S. Koreans might be left on their own to deal with "Krazy Kim"...

There is NOWHERE that Kim Jong Il can really expand his authority, except S. Korea. And the cost of such a war would likely be the downfall of his government since it's unlikely Japan or the US (or even China) would stand idly by. Kim would become a liability to Bejing's leaders..

So the best bet is to tell the N. Koreans that there will be no "one on one" negotiations between the Pyongyang and the US. If they want to talk, it will be in a forum of a various natins who all have a vital interest in their nuclear program... That will defeat any attempt to make this a "anti-US" issue which is what Kim Jong Il wants.

Now Saddam?? Give him a nuclear weapon and see how he makes Kim Jong Il look like a dope-smokin' peacenik.

Hawk



To: PartyTime who wrote (13491)2/26/2003 10:59:56 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25898
 
The War Party’s militarized strategy will unite the world against us.

The Madness of Empire

By Scott McConnell

amconmag.com

Recently the novelist John le Carré wrote in the Times of London that the United States has entered a “period of madness” that dwarfs McCarthyism or the Vietnam intervention in intensity. One generally would not pay much attention to the cynical British spy-tale weaver, never especially friendly to America. But concern about America’s mental health is more broadly in the air, spreading well beyond the usual professional anti-Americans. It is now pervasive in Europe, and growing in Asia, and when Matt Drudge posted le Carré’s piece prominently on his website, it got passed around and talked about here in ways it never would have five years ago.

The proximate cause of le Carré’s diagnosis is Washington’s plan for a pre-emptive war against Iraq, a nation whose weapons pose no threat to the United States and that has no substantial links to al-Qaeda or 9/11. The U.S. would fight this war virtually without allies, though a few countries might be dragged into the fray against the will of their populations. But mad or not, this drive toward war is not mania of sudden onset but ratification of a neo-imperialist strategy that has been germinating in neoconservative circles since the end of the Cold War.

A new war against Iraq was a gleam in the eye of a small but influential group long before 9/11. In 1998, the newly established Project for a New American Century (PNAC), an advocacy group chaired by Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol, began sending open letters from prominent foreign policy hawks. First, it wrote to the Clinton administration calling upon the United States to “remove Saddam’s regime.” When its advice was ignored, PNAC asked Republican Congressional leaders to push for war. The signatories included Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz (now number two at the Pentagon), Elliott Abrams (recently appointed to the National Security Council as a director of Mid-East policy), William Bennett, John Bolton (now Undersecretary of State), and the ubiquitous Richard Perle, chairman of the Defense Policy Board and often considered the central figure the interlocking web of neoconservative think tanks.

PNAC’s ambitions go well beyond Saddam’s overthrow. Immediately after 9/11, the group began pushing to expand the war against other Muslim states, calling for the U.S. to target Hezbollah and its sponsors, Iran and Syria. PNAC also wants the U.S. to stop trying to foster a peace between Israel and the Palestinians, advocating withdrawal of the small amount of aid the U.S. gives the Palestinian Authority and granting full support to Israel’s right wing Likud government.

These tactical measures are elements within a broader vision of a more militarized U.S. foreign policy, carried out without allies if necessary. In the final year of the first Bush administration, Paul Wolfowitz penned a memo under the aegis of then Secretary of Defense Cheney, calling for the United States to ramp up its defense spending in order to deter any other country from “even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.” China, Russia, Germany, and Japan were to be intimidated from seeking more power in their own regions. After the Wolfowitz draft was leaked to the press, it received widespread ridicule, and the Bush I diplomats rushed to reassure allies that Wolfowitz’s views did not truly reflect American foreign policy.

But during the 1990s they did become the views of the neoconservatives, packaged under the slogan “benevolent global hegemony” touted by Kristol and Robert Kagan. The positions of the neoconservative foreign policy team in exile (a sort of shadow subcabinet during the Clinton years) were fleshed out in a PNAC book, Present Dangers, which called for the U.S. to “shape the international environment to its own advantage” by being “at once a European power, an Asian power, a Middle Eastern power, and of course a Western Hemisphere power” and to “act as if instability in important regions of the world … affect[s] us with almost the same immediacy as if [it] was occurring on our own doorstep.” In practice this meant assertive risk-taking virtually everywhere. Jonathan Clarke, reviewing the volume in the National Interest, wrote, “If the book’s recommendations were implemented all at once, the U.S. would risk unilaterally fighting a five-front war, while simultaneously urging Israel to abandon the peace process in favor of a new no-holds-barred confrontation with the Palestinians.” This book has become the blueprint for the foreign policy of George W. Bush.

Only recently has it become commonplace (outside of the Marxist Left) to call this new policy imperialist. President Bush himself still shuns the word, telling a Veterans Day audience, “We have no territorial ambitions. We don’t seek an empire.” But a surprising number of foreign policy analysts, in the neocon orbit and beyond, have picked up the “I” word and run with it. Max Boot, a former Wall Street Journal editor who wrote a book about America’s splendid little wars writes in the Weekly Standard about “troubled lands [that] cry out for the sort of enlightened foreign administration once provided by self-confident Englishmen in jodhpurs and pith helmets.” Kristol co-author Robert Kagan prefers the term “hegenomy” to empire, and many neoconservatives stress that the new American imperialism will differ from the bad old European sort because it will be welcomed by its subjects. The American Enterprise Institute’s Joshua Muravchik has written a primer on “exporting democracy” whose phrases now pop up regularly in Bushite rhetoric.

The war for democracy is meant to bring about eternal peace. A television sound-bite of the neo-imperialists is “democracies don’t fight one another,” though the generalization seems to ignore the bloodiest war in the 19th century (America’s Civil War) and arguably the one that brought about the end of Europe’s global pre-eminence (World War I). Never mind. The coda is always Wilsonian, a claim that pre-emptive war will bring forth a springtime of power to the people of the politically stagnant region.

None of this is entirely new of course: America’s previous burst of imperial expansion at the turn of the 20th century was accompanied by plenty of talk about liberating our “brown brothers” from Spain’s evil dominion and, later, teaching Latin Americans to hold clean elections and “elect good men.” The phrases have come down to us through history class, but we do not remember the elections because, by and large, they never took place.

Nor, it should be remembered, did the older European imperialists consider themselves exploiters. The rulers and rhetoricians of France’s and Britain’s empires were quite confident that they were bringing the benefits of science, law, and rationality to poorer and backward peoples. Such claims were self-serving but not entirely fanciful. Contrary to the standard Leninist critique, imperialism was not a one-way transfer of wealth from colony to metropole: Britain and France made large investments in capital and education in their empires, in part producing the educated modernizing nationalist class that eventually threw them out. Though some American hawks have let on that establishing military bases astride the world’s major oil arteries would not be a distasteful burden, in today’s Washington the war against Iraq is not spoken of as an opportunity for plundering the region’s vital resources. The war will be fought to liberate the Iraqi people: never before in the annals of neoconservative rhetoric have Arabs been talked about so solicitously. (Cynics might note that Commentary and the Weekly Standard showed little prior interest in bringing the benefits of democracy to the three million Palestinians under Israeli occupation, where American influence could have been brought to bear readily at almost any point in the past thirty-five years.)

The prospects of this new militarized imperialism ought to be gauged by how well it might succeed. Would it make Americans more secure? What are its chances of democratizing the Middle East?

The strongest neo-imperialist case study is Japan, re-fashioned under American military occupation from a semi-feudal militaristic dictatorship that waged aggressive war into a semi-capitalist, reasonably democratic, and very peaceable ally and trading partner of the United States. But the differences between Japan and the Islamic nations our present-day imperialists want to occupy are stark. Appreciation for the West and democratic ideas was well rooted in Japan. The Japanese began to borrow furiously from the West once Commodore Perry landed in 1853, in science and military technology of course, but also in the world of ideas. Reading the Western philosophes became a fad during the Meiji Restoration, which initiated voting for Parliament in 1889 and had universal male suffrage by the 1920s. Pushing the process along was an indigenous “liberty and popular rights movement,” which spawned dozens of autonomous political groups. “Loyal opposition” was not an alien idea. Moreover, Japan’s bureaucracy—a samurai-based elite class that pre-dated the Meiji Restoration—was ready to implement democratic reforms and put its own stamp on the new regime. General MacArthur had much on which to build. Moreover, every country in Asia wanted Japan transformed. The imposition of an entirely new order from outside—MacArthur and his crew ended up writing the internal laws, redistributing property, re-shaping the economy, and imposing a constitution—was considered legitimate throughout the region. The circumstances in the Mid-East, where American invasion is opposed vigorously in the region and by three of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, could not be more different.

If prior conditions made Japan receptive to the imposition of democracy from without, the general success rate of imperial powers in molding occupations to their liking is poor. Both Britain and France tried mightily to form a suitable “indigenous” elite in their colonies, neither with much success. The ascending middle classes demanded access to education, but British and French administrators quickly learned the more natives were educated, the more colonial rule angered them. Britain gave up its empire without too much strife, but France was driven out of Indochina by a bloody guerilla war and from an Algerian colony (bound to the mother country with “indissoluble links” according to the language of the time) by a fierce campaign of terror. One hears echoes of the arguments made by colonialist Frenchmen in the mouths of America’s neo-imperialists: if the Algerian nationalists prevailed, they would subject the Algerians to all the horrors of autocratic, quasi-fascist domination. Such arguments were, as Raymond Aron wrote at the time, true but irrelevant: colonized people rated national independence more highly than they did the rights of the individual.

This is especially true in the Islamic world. Roger Scruton in The West and the Rest comes to this conclusion on the deeper divergences in political culture that seem to flow from Islam and Christianity respectively: “The virtues of Western political systems are, to a certain kind of Islamic mind, imperceptible—or perceptible, as they were to Qutb and Atta, only as hideous moral failings. Even while enjoying the peace, prosperity, and freedom that issue from a secular rule of law, a person who regards the shari‘a as the unique path to salvation may see these things only as signs of spiritual emptiness or corruption.” Perhaps skeptical thinkers like Aron and Scruton are wrong and the neocon cheerleaders for imperialistic democracy-imposition are right, but one would not want to bet America’s future on it.

Then there is the reaction of the world to consider, after the United States rains cruise missiles on Baghdad, seizes the Iraqi oil fields and “the next day” (as Ariel Sharon urges) prepares for war against Iran. One can imagine that the Saudis will fall into a political panic, that Europe will be enraged, that Russia and China will be cooly hostile and begin to make plans. What impact would the Iraq invasion have on the international system?

During the Clinton years, quite a few international affairs specialists wondered why American pre-eminence had not given rise to the kind of counterbalancing and ganging up against the leading power that classic international relations theory and diplomatic history would lead one to expect. Russia and China briefly eyed one another as allies, the Europeans griped, but nowhere did major countries come close to forming real military alliances to counter America’s strength. Why not?

The most persuasive answer came from Joseph Joffe, a conservative pro-Atlanticist German. He wrote that while there was plenty of smoldering resentment of American power, no one felt it necessary to ally against it. The United States was a hegemon “different from all its predecessors. America annoys and antagonizes, but it does not conquer. … This is a critical departure from the traditional ways of the high and mighty. For the balance of power machinery to crank up, it makes a difference whether the rest of the world faces a huge but unusually placid elephant or a caniverous tyrannosaurus rex.” America is an elephant that lumbers but does not crush and that uses its hegemony to create “public goods”—institutions that the rest needs for security and economic growth.

If America invades Iraq, the bottom will fall out of this argument. The first consequence would probably be sharp drop in international co-operation against terrorism, especially terrorism directed against the United States. After that, we can contemplate new alliances: Russia and China, Europe and the (unoccupied) Middle East, an international system in rapid flux but increasingly focused on restraining American power. Of course, the United States will always have Israel as its friend.

Consider America’s international situation: a country rich and technologically advanced, blessed with unusually stable political system, separated from hostile countries by huge oceans, and still retaining durable long term friendships with the world’s most powerful and successful democratic states, and requiring serious international police and intelligence cooperation to deal with its most pressing enemy, al-Qaeda. For such a nation suddenly to decide that its best and only option to “save itself” is to embark on a course of imperial expansion, one that will be opposed vigorously by the rest of the world, seems almost a form of madness.