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To: Greg or e who wrote (34401)	2/27/2003 8:48:51 PM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Dear Greg I quite think that Gramps is right to point out that a subject this large and complex is difficult to discuss in such a forum as this. It become even more difficult when one of those in the discussion is utterly convinced of being both right and called to 'defend' what they believe is right. You ended you note with "Stop doubting and believe." I do not know a single preterist who has denied the "physical resurrection" of Christ. The verses you quoted do indeed affirm that Christ was resurrected in the same body He was crucified in. Greg - you are defending a point to which you and all preterist agree. The point in question is this.... Is Christ still in that physical body even now? I know that 99% of Christian will simply say yes and call any other concept heresy but let me ask you what I hope you may find a least a little jogging to your self assured views. Preterist become Preterists by studying scripture not by adopting what history or the 'church' teaches Let's look at a verse by John. 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; <B<>for we shall see him as he is. We agree that when Christ rose from the dead that He in fact rose in a physical body. We both agree that the body still had the wounds of crucifixion. We both agree that it was a physical body that was recieved in the cloud. Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. We also both agree that John who wrote 1 John 3:2 saw and beheld this resurrected and physical body. Where we begin to differ is believing that 'when' the General Resurrection occurred ( in your will occur - future ) that because Christ rose physically so should all men and also that Christ would have ( in your case will have ) that same physical body when He returned at the second coming. Those two notions are presumed by men and not proven at all. Greg - I sincerely hope you can hear this.. As a bible believing Christian I cannot agree with your adopted system This is one reason why... 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. John who saw Christ says " it doth not yet appear what we shall be like" We can both agree that John spoke this prior to the second coming :-) John says however also "when He appears" John also says "we shall be like Him" Now if the case is as simple as most maintain... why does it not strike them as odd that John who saw what Christ lookedlike after the resurrection and saw the resurrected physicalbody of Christ would etch into scripture "doth NOT yet appear" what we shall be like but that we will be "just like Him"? If Christ was supposed to keep the physical body with which He was resurrected until He the second coming [70 AD or future it matters not to this point] then why did the "most beloved apostle" not realize such a simple fact while 99% of today's Christians do? How could John write such things to other apostles as well. Did they now all understand that Jesus would return in the same physical body and they would all have a similar body just like Him? After all does scripture not state: Acts 1:11 ...this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. John saw EXACTLY what Jesus was like why does John suddenly nott know what we will be like if we will be LIKE HIM at His appearing? How could John be so silly? How can I be so silly? Unless there is another way to understand the verse in Acts :-) Paul also failed at this point in speaking about OUR resurrection. 1Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. It appears that Christ's Resurrection was to differ from others Greg. I do not believe Greg that your errors are such that they endanger your soul but I do believe they are both "adopted" from others and contrary to many scriptures. That is just one of them. You and I also agree to this point Greg - that regardless of how men many misunderstand the scriptures.... Our faith and belief must be based upon the Bible alone. Yes, Greg - Jesus was physically resurrected. No, preterist will dispute that fact. Brian