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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (78330)2/28/2003 2:29:44 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
THE CASE FOR THE FRENCH

By Ted Rall
Op/Ed
Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:08 PM ET

story.news.yahoo.com

America As Its Own Worst Enemy



LOS ANGELES--Who are we to be bashing the French?

The trouble began when President Jacques Chirac openly expressed the private beliefs of virtually every other world leader--that George W. Bush's desire to start an unprovoked war with Iraq is both crazy and immoral. It has quickly disintegrated into a ferocious display of American nativism that would be hilarious if its gleeful idiocy wasn't so frightening.

"Axis of Weasel," howls the New York Post in reaction to France and Germany's U.N. stance. A North Carolina restaurateur replaces French fries with "freedom fries." In West Palm Beach, a bar owner dumps his stock of French wine in the street, vowing to replace it with vintages from nations that support a U.S. invasion of Iraq. (Well, there's always Bulgaria.) Also in Palm Beach, a county official is working to boycott French businesses from government contracts: "France's attitude toward the United States is deplorable," says commissioner Burt Aaronson. "It's quite possible that if we didn't send our troops there, the French people would all be speaking German."

Allied troops liberated the French in 1944. The least France could do, the French bashers argue, is show a little gratitude. They think that France should stand by--or better yet help out--when U.S. troops go to invade/liberate/whatever other countries. Sovereignty and self-determination are fine as mere words. But it just ain't right for a country we rescued from Nazi occupation to disagree with our policy 50 years later and threaten us with a U.N. veto.

To be sure, France owed America a nice thank-you card for D-Day. But we owe them a more. Without France, the United States wouldn't even exist--it would still be a British colony.

Every American schoolchild learns that a French naval blockade trapped Cornwallis' forces at Yorktown, bringing the American revolution to its victorious conclusion. But fewer people are aware that King Louis XVI spent so much money on arms shipments to American rebels that he bankrupted the royal treasury, plunged his nation into depression and unleashed a political upheaval that ultimately resulted in the end of the monarchy. Franklin Roosevelt wrote some fat checks to save France; Louis gave up his and his wife's heads.

No two countries were closer during the 19th century. Americans named streets after the Marquis de la Fayette, Louis' liaison with the founding fathers. During the Civil War, France bankrolled the Union to neutralize British financing for the Confederacy. How many Americans remember that the Statue of Liberty was a gift from French schoolchildren?

Despite that long friendship, the French--along with Asians and overweight folks--remain one of the few groups Americans still feel free to openly insult. A recent Gallup poll shows that 20 percent fewer Americans view France favorably because of its unwillingness to go along with Bush's war on Iraq. Support for Germany, perpetrators of Nazism and the Holocaust (and which also opposes war), holds steady at 71 percent.

Some of the contempt dates to France's quick defeat in the blitzkrieg of May-June 1940. "Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris?" joked Roy Blunt, a Republican who evidently represents the unfortunate voters of Missouri. "It's not known; it's never been tried."

Perhaps Congressman Blunt should visit the graves of the Frenchmen who lost their lives for their country during World War I (the first two-thirds of which, by the way, the U.S. sat out). One of them, my great-grandfather Jean-Marie Le Corre, died in the muddy trenches of eastern France in 1915. His death plunged his family, never comfortable to begin with, into abject poverty. His name is engraved on a memorial near a small church in Brittany. They say that he was a handsome guy, popular with the ladies and always good for a joke. Because of him and 1.4 million other young men who sacrificed their lives for their country, Paris didn't fall.

France lost a staggering four percent of its population during the Great War. (Imagine a war that killed 11 million Americans today.) Twenty years later, in 1939, the French army still suffered from a massive manpower shortage. Demographics, lousy planning and equipment shortages--the Great Depression had also hit France--cost 100,000 French soldiers their lives during six awful weeks in 1940.

They failed to save Paris, but they died defending it.

The Bush Doctrine advocates invading weak states, imposing "regime change" and building an American empire composed of colonies whose dark-skinned races can be exploited for cheap labor. Napoleon Bonaparte, who terrorized Europe, had similar ideas. He easily outclasses our AWOL-from-the-Texas-Air-National-Guard Resident in the pure bellicosity department, but would we really choose Bonaparte over Chirac?

French-bashing is a nasty symptom of an underlying American predilection for anti-intellectualism: a society whose most popular TV show features smoky chatter between poets and novelists naturally threatens the land of football and Pabst.

The fact is, France is a good friend and ally trying to make us see reason, and it doesn't deserve to be treated this shabbily. The United States, as led by Bush and his goons, is like a belligerent, out-of-control drunk trying to pick a fight and demanding the car keys at the same time. The French want to drive us home before we cause any more trouble, so we lash out at them, calling them rude names and impugning their loyalty. Sure, we'll be ashamed of our behavior in the morning, after the madness wears off. But will we have any friends left?

(Ted Rall is the author of "Gas War: The Truth Behind the American Occupation of Afghanistan (news - web sites)," an analysis of the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline and the motivations behind the war on terrorism. Ordering information is available at amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com.)



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (78330)2/28/2003 3:59:07 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
A followup, in a way, to the "Everybody shut up" post. I have Bolded a line I think is telling and true for a lot of the left. WSJ.com

Opinion Overload
The Iraq debate proves politics remains the same.

BY DANIEL HENNINGER
Friday, February 28, 2003 12:01 a.m.

Can there be anything stranger than the never-ending prelude to this war in Iraq? We may live in an age of instant communication, but the run-up to war has seemed like something from antiquity--armies massing on the plain for months, the French and Prussian ambassadors exchanging views via carrier pigeon and code. Amid the year-long negotiations, word comes that the Outer Kingdom of North Korea is firing missiles into the ocean. Meanwhile in Manhattan the residents gather rations and make plans to bicycle toward the Catskills if plague arrives, as it did to Athens during its war with Sparta, in 430 B.C.

But this isn't 430. It's 2003, when the World Wide Web, e-mail, television, newspapers and blabbing public officials ensure, more than any time in history, that everyone is looking at the same page. Why, then, such discord?

Well, first we have to assume that the degree of discord is real, rather than a distortion, mainly reflecting the fact that newspapers and television, since their beginnings, have held the attention of audiences by turning all reality into melodrama. Thus, every objecting burp out of the United Nations or Paris gets splashed across someone's front page or TV gabfest at the level of Code Red relevance. But even discounting the media's tendency to overweight hot air, the sheer volume of information available about Saddam Hussein's Iraq might suggest more consensus than appears to exist about the need to eliminate, rather than just talk about, the threat.

Maybe it's possible that in the age of information, more is less. More information breeds more opinion, and when that opinion is political opinion, the result is not greater agreement on the facts, but merely deeper division along well-chiseled fault lines. That's obviously what we have now on Iraq. Political belief--and animosity toward one's political opposition--trumps everything, including mortal danger.

Joseph Schumpeter, the eminent political economist, believed that while the average person was logical enough in personal matters, he "drops down to a lower level of mental performance . . . as soon as he enters the political field"--and stays there "in the face of meritorious efforts" to put facts before his face.

If Schumpeter is correct, much of the opposition to war with Iraq is more than anything the politics of liberals here and the left in Europe who would not abide being led anywhere by a conservative U.S. administration. Hell no, they won't go, no matter how many resolutions are outputted by the Security Council.

UNSCOM inspected inside Iraq for nearly eight years and issued umpteen reports, all available online. The vats in the photograph here do not hold "vaccine." According to paragraphs 146 and 147 of UNSCOM's final 1999 Disarmament Report to the Security Council:

"146. . . . In 1990 additional research locations were obtained at the Foot and Mouth Disease Vaccine Institute at Daura and apparently the Agriculture and Water Resources Centre at Fudhaliyah. Research on viruses was started by Dr. Hazem Ali and genetic engineering with Dr. Ali Nuria Abdel Hussein. The logic and intent for the selection of camelpox virus, infectious haemorrhagic conjunctivitis virus and rotavirus are not stated in the FFCD [Full Final and Complete Disclosure]. The objectives for the genetic engineering unit are not elaborated upon, although testimony of Dr. Rihab Taha has indicated initially antibiotic resistant strains of Bacillus anthracis spores were to have been derived. Any relationship with that of the genetic engineering section of Al-Muthanna housed at the Serum and Vaccine Institute at Amiriyah under the direction of Dr. Al-Za'ag is denied.

"147. Iraq's failure to identify and to present technically and scientifically competent staff who will accept intellectual and management responsibilities for the balance and emphasis of the research programme, the planning and development of the research programme makes the determination of the overall extent of the programme difficult."

After a decade's brave work, the U.N. has shown that Saddam's Iraqi palaces have been heaped up with toxic anthrax and botulism, the first sovereign power based on viruses. So? On the subways of ineffably liberal New York, where two tall buildings fell, they wear buttons: "Why War?"

We in the West have found a reasonable if imperfect mechanism for the ofttimes irrational world of political gridlock--elections. You present what information you have and see what the body politic thinks. The government that results governs across its term in office subject to review and, on schedule, a national vote. In fact, that is the political system being proposed for Iraq, as opposed to whatever politics is inside those "vaccine" vats. Those of us who voted for this U.S. administration believe that change in Iraq must come now, by force of arms if necessary. Those opposed can, and will, work to make someone else president. They will find out if they are right, next year. For now, the noise.http://opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110003137