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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonder who wrote (13921)	2/28/2003 11:54:26 AM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

The idea that Bush favors democracy in Iraq is a big lie of Hitlerian proportions. He installed a US puppet regime in Afghansitan by force. And I suspect that he would like to install an Algerian type regime in Iraq. A regime that has done the following: Algeria accused of killing thousands in secret war By Katherine Butler Deputy Foreign Editor 28 February 2003 Algeria's powerful military rulers have been accused of allowing the "disappearances" of at least 7,000 people during an undeclared civil war with radical Islamists they have waged over the past 10 years. An investigation by Human Rights Watch in New York concluded yesterday that the Algerian leadership was guilty of gross human rights violations. Algeria had "utterly failed" to investigate the thousands of civilians made to "disappear" by the state security forces between 1992 and 1998, who remain unaccounted for. "None of the missing has returned and no one has been held accountable for their disappearance," it said. Hanny Megally, of Human Rights Watch, said: "All of the government's missing-person bureaux, complaint mechanisms and responses to foreign queries amount to a cruel stonewalling operation. Our research shows the government has not produced a shred of information, even when families can furnish details about the security forces they saw abduct their sons and husbands." The report said not one person accused of involvement in a "disappearance" had been charged or brought to trial. Separately, Amnesty International accused the Algerian security forces yesterday of widespread torture and demanded information on the fate of the missing people. After a two-week mission – the first the organisation has been allowed to make in three years – Amnesty said torture was systematic and widespread. The damning reports come on the eve of a visit to Algiers by Jacques Chirac, the first such visit by a French President to Algeria since independence in 1962. Algeria has been ravaged by violence since 1992, when generals cancelled elections that radical Islamist groups were poised to win. The people, in a backlash against corruption and repression, had voted overwhelmingly for the radical Islamic Salvation Front, a wing of which then took up arms. At least 100,000 people are believed to have died in the decade since, a period punctuated by unspeakable atrocities and insecurity. Massacres of civilians are routine – although less frequent in recent months – and generally blamed on the shadowy GIA (Armed Islamic Group). But powerful factions within the secretive ruling military elite have been accused of orchestrating kidnappings, assassinations and even massacres to manipulate the GIA and reinforce the army's own grip on power. President Abdelaziz Bouteflika, installed by the military in 1999, has offered Islamist groups amnesty but the GIA has rejected the offer. Since the 11 September atrocities, the government has enjoyed a thaw in relations with the West thanks to its self-proclaimed record on tackling terrorism. America, which suspended aid to Algeria after the cancellation of the 1992 elections and the ensuing bloodshed, announced recently that it would resume the sale of military equipment to the Algerian government to help it combat Islamic militants. The EU has also been fostering closer ties with Algiers. Algeria supplies much of the natural gas European consumers rely on. Human Rights Watch says that despite the inclusion of a human rights clause in a bilateral trade and aid deal concluded between the EU and Algiers in 2001, repeated inquiries on the disappeared have yielded nothing. President Bouteflika has proposed compensating families of the missing. The government admits it has received complaints about more than 4,000 missing people. M. Chirac is under intense pressure from campaigners to use his influence to seek an independent commission to compel the testimony of state security agents and the disclosure of documents. While there have been few cases of state sponsored "disappearances" since 2000, Human Rights Watch said little had been done to prevent their recurrence. The investigation also accuses armed groups that call themselves Islamic of kidnapping thousands of Algerians during the armed strife. Omar Ourad is one presumed victim of such groups. He was kidnapped from his home in Baraki, near Algiers, by an armed group in August 1994, and was never seen again. He was 48. His son, Yassine Ourad, a photographer, told Human Rights Watch: "As they left they told us, 'Don't worry, we're just taking him for questioning.' They took him in his pyjamas. Until today we don't know who took him." 28 February 2003 11:37 Search this site: Printable Story Legal \| Contact us \| Using our Content \| Advertise in print \| Subscribe to the print edition \| Sign up for our free daily news update \| Other Digital sites © 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd

To: zonder who wrote (13921)	2/28/2003 12:33:02 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

Just a few people Clinton didn't have to Pardon. 1. James McDougal Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. 2. Mary Mahoney A former White House intern, she was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House. 3. Vince Foster Former white House councilor and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head; ruled a suicide. 4. Ron Brown Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. 5. C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser Major players in the Clinton fundraising organization. Died in a private plane crash in July 1992. 6. Paul Tulley Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor". 7. Ed Willey Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fundraising events. 8. Jerry Parks Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died, the files were mysteriously removed from his house. 9. James Bunch Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas. 10. James Wilson Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater. 11. Kathy Ferguson Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones. 12. Bill Shelton Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound. Also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee. 13. Gandy Baugh Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, he died by jumping out the window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor. 14. Florence Martin Accountant and sub-contractor for the CIA, he was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds. 15. Suzanne Coleman Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head; ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death. 16. Paula Grober Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident. 17. Danny Casolaro Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation. 18. Paul Wilcher Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death. 19. Jon Parnell Walker Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal. 20. Barbara Wise Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce. 21. Charles Meissner Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance. Died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash. 22. Dr. Stanley Heard Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. Died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother. 23. Barry Seal Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas; death was no accident. 24. Johnny Lawhorn Jr. Mechanic Found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole. 25. Stanley Huggins Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released. 26. Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded. 27. Kevin Ives & Don Henry Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said ... "due to falling asleep on railroad tracks." (both of them asleep?) Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury. THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION IN THE IVES/HENRY CASE: 28. Keith Coney Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 88. 29. Keith McMaskle Died. (A slight understatment) Stabbed 113 times, Nov 1988 30. Gregory Collins Died from a gunshot wound January 1989. 31. Jeff Rhodes He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989. 33. James Milan Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes". 34. Jordan Kettleson Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990. 35. Richard Winters A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989. THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD: 36. Major William S. Barkley Jr. 37. Captain Scott J. Reynolds 38. Sgt. Brian Hanley 39. Sgt. Tim Sabel 40. Major General William Robertson 41. Col. William Densberger 42. Col. Robert Kelly 43. Spec. Gary Rhodes 44. Steve Willis 45. Robert Williams 46. Conway LeBleu 47. Todd McKeehan And you worry about GWB?????????

To: zonder who wrote (13921)	2/28/2003 3:48:36 PM
From: Bald Eagle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

CNN is renowned in the USA for its liberalism. Reuters wouldn't even call the 9/11 perpetrators terrorists. If that's not anti-American, then I don't know what is. Which planet do you live on? You call Amnesty International's web site crappy? That's an interesting perspective and says a lot about you. BTW, many people in the USA (probably further to the right than me) consider Amnesty International to be anti-American. Well, I'm off to enjoy Mardi Gras and then skiing for a week in Oregon. By the time I return, the USA and allies might have liberated Iraq already. Bye!