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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: PartyTime who wrote (14191)3/1/2003 5:19:23 AM
From: BubbaFred  Respond to of 25898
 
"war is "real" -- not a video game"

Those Shameful French
"...Dilettantes, cowards, opportunists, moral pygmies. We Americans, we're the brave ones, the defenders of truth, justice, and the underdog. Look at the way we liberated Afghanistan. And now we want to do the same for Iraq, but the craven, cowardly French are standing in our way..."

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Harry Browne

WorldNetDaily recently published a number of outraged letters, blaming the French for every imaginable moral crime -- because the French won't join George Bush's crusade against Iraq. This controversy has provided a wonderful opportunity for people to demonstrate their moral superiority. Oh those degenerate Frenchmen!

Dilettantes, cowards, opportunists, moral pygmies. We Americans, we're the brave ones, the defenders of truth, justice, and the underdog. Look at the way we liberated Afghanistan. And now we want to do the same for Iraq, but the craven, cowardly French are standing in our way. And they have the gall to act as though they're the moral ones! That's the thanks we get for saving France from the Nazis. Those ingrates turn their backs on us -- after all we've done for them.

Don't they realize that what "we" (meaning a previous generation) did in World War II makes them indebted to us "forever" -- obligating every French President to do whatever any American President commands, no matter how violent, aggressive, or irrational?

This is similar to the mother who has a perpetual trump card: "I went through labor for you, and this is the way you repay me. "You owe me". Presumably, for the rest of your natural life. The poor French. They don't realize that their debt will never be "Paid in full."

Don't Forget the Collaborators

And we're not supposed to forget how many of those cowards collaborated with the Nazis. Of course, Americans are morally superior to the French in that regard -- mainly because Americans have never been in the same position.

It's easy for people in the safety of their American armchairs to tell how courageous other people should be -- that they should stand up to tyranny, endure torture, sacrifice themselves. It's easy when you never have to face the same choices.

Of course, many Frenchmen "did" stand up to the Nazis. Over 100,000 of them died before the U.S. ever got into the war. And speaking of forgetting things, why have the tales of the heroic French resistance gone down the memory hole?

Self-Interest

Many of the letter-writers know why the French won't join the American crusade. It's because they're playing financial Footsie with the Iraqis. They're shamefully selfish -- unlike Americans, who only want to bring peace to the world through war.

Once again, maybe some memories need to be jogged.

It was Donald Rumsfeld, after all, who shook hands with Saddam Hussein in 1983. It was Americans who sold deadly chemicals to Iraq during the 1980s. It was the Reagan administration that provided military intelligence to Iraq in its war with Iran. And it was American ambassador April Glaspie who in 1990 gave Hussein the green light to settle his oil disputes with Kuwait by force if necessary.

One disgruntled Frenchman, writing to WorldNetDaily, complained that French politicians have always been chummy with terrorist nations -- such as Syria. He neglected to mention, however, that Gulf War members of the coalition that attacked Iraq in 1991 (including the U.S.) gave Syria billions of dollars -- just to get Syria's name on the coalition letterhead. Of course, the Syrians didn't actually "fight" against Iraq. They were too busy attacking Lebanon to be able to help. But they did give moral support.

Who's out of Step?

And rather than call the French out of step today, perhaps we should notice that people all over the world are siding with the French, not the Americans. Understand that I said siding with the "French", not with "Iraq".

It was the French presentation at the UN that was greeted with applause -- while Colin Powell's accusations provoked stony silence.

Why There's a Difference

Perhaps the WorldNetDaily letter-writers should understand why the Europeans aren't as all-fired eager to go to war as so many Americans are. And the reason has nothing to do with cowardice.

To most Americans, war is impersonal. War is dropping a few harmless bombs on foreign countries, the regrettable-but-heroic deaths of a handful of American soldiers, collateral damage, mopping up, peacekeeping, General Schwarzkopf on TV explaining smart bombs. But to Europeans, war is personal. Their parents and grandparents -- and even some of those living today -- have experienced war first-hand. They've seen the destruction of their own homes, the loss of the property they worked a lifetime to accumulate, the murder of relatives and close friends, whole cities flattened, dead bodies decomposing in pools of blood, the brutality of conquering soldiers, damage that's far from collateral, and outcomes far different from what was promised. To them, war is "real" -- not a video game.

Maybe the reason they don't talk in macho terms is because "they know what they're talking about".

I neglected to mention one letter-writer who trotted out the ever-popular "coup de grâce". You can't have a discussion about Iraq (or Serbia or Afghanistan or any other Enemy-of-the-Day) without someone mentioning that if only they'd stopped Hitler at Munich, World War I could have been prevented. This assumes, of course, that someone "could" have stopped Hitler at Munich -- a fact not in evidence.

Perhaps someday, after America has attacked Iraq, and then Iran, and then Syria, and North Korea, and Saudi Arabia, Colombia, the Sudan, Zimbabwe, Guatemala, Morocco, Togo, Denmark, and Lapland, people will be saying, "If only they'd stopped Bush at Baghdad!"

dailyreckoning.com



To: PartyTime who wrote (14191)3/1/2003 9:32:56 AM
From: paret  Respond to of 25898
 
Speak No Evil--The true target of the attack is not George Bush. It is you.
techcentralstation.com ^ | 02/28/2003 | Lee Harris

Ever since President Bush spoke of the Al Qaeda hijackers as "evil doers," a chorus of academic authorities have derided the President for his choice of words, some claiming that it was simplistic, some claiming that it was Manichean, some claiming that it was incitement to a fundamental Christian crusade—but all agreeing that the word "evil" should be struck from the President's vocabulary.

What no one seems to notice, however, is that it is not merely the President's use of the word evil that is coming under attack—it is our own, yours and mine.

Of course, this is not something that Bush's critics come out and say. They want us to believe that if the President had never used such language about Al Qaeda, it would never have occurred to any of us to regard the murder of over two thousand innocent men and women as evil, just as it would never have crossed our minds to describe the perpetrators of such acts as "evil doers."

What the academic critics want us to believe is that Bush's words acted as a kind of hypnotic suggestion on the bovine innocence of our collective national mind, warping and distorting our moral perceptions in such a way that we could be easily driven into a herd-like stampede of revenge against the alleged forces of evil.

This is not only absurd, it is insulting.

When Bush spoke of the 9/11 hijackers as evil, he was expressing precisely the moral sensibility of the average American. We did not need him to manipulate us into thinking it was evil to murder thousands of people for showing up for work one day. We knew that already. We suspected it the moment we noticed people jumping out of windows on the ninetieth floor of the World Trade Center.

Keep this in mind when you read the pompous pontifications of the latest Bush-bashing academic: the true target of the attack is not George Bush—it is you.

To banish the word "evil" from the moral lexicon of humanity, simply in order to take a cheap shot at a politician, is an unforgivable act of moral and intellectual dishonesty. It is making use of one's academic standing and scholarly reputation in order to debase the level of our public discourse, and those who engage in this kind of cant should be treated as charlatans and quacks.

The word evil has been used over and over again throughout human history as the means to energize human beings to deal with the wrongs and the outrages of the world, and various Bush-baiters of the academic world are perfectly cognizant of this fact. They know that it was the word that was used in the battle against slavery, against Nazism, against Communism, against segregation. They know that it is the only word that rings true when one wants to speak of such horrors as the Middle Passage and Auschwitz.

And if you wish to verify this for yourself, ask them what word they would suggest we use when we want to find the proper moral characterization of the gassing of children and the torturing of innocents?

Were the Nazis ethically challenged? Was Stalin misunderstood? Were the Al Qaeda hijackers mischief-makers? Was the slave trade misguided?

What word may we use, if you have forbidden us the use of evil? What name can we assign to those ghastly horrors that constitute the black holes of the moral universe?

What we are seeing is not an attack on George Bush, but on the very foundations of our moral common sense. To tell the average man that there is something wrong with using the language of evil when this language is the only appropriate way of expressing his sense of benumbed outrage is itself a species of evil. It is the use of one's intellectual superiority in order to subvert the trust that the average person feels in the intuitive reliability of his own moral conviction.

How did our nation get to the point that we permit such men to talk us out of our deepest convictions? And how do we go about reclaiming them?

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To: PartyTime who wrote (14191)3/1/2003 3:39:47 PM
From: Augustus Gloop  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 25898
 
You make some good points and I don't want to be one of those people who claims you entire basis for not wanting to go to war is wrong just because I happen to think we may need to. I couldn't possibly address all of you points so I will just say what I'm thinking at this point. My concern (and it goes beyond Iraq) is that there are a few countries and leaders that I believe threaten the safety of the globe if not today in the future. We looked the other way with Hitler and it nearly came back to bite everyone on earth. I'm not sure I want to repeat that mistake when the technology of war has advanced to a point where its now possible to reach any corner of the globe with the push of a button. Although Saddam may not have this potential now I don't think its prudent to wait until he has that capability before we act. His neighbors already worry about him and his intentions and I don't want to have to worry as well if we delay taking action for another 10 years. Under no circumstances can we allow our country to become a target for ICBM's when and if Saddam acquires the technology. He has WMD and while I have never seen them he has used them. I have never seen WMD that France, Russia, UK, India, Pakistan, N Korea and the others have either but I think we all accept they have them