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To: Steve Lee who wrote (28769)3/2/2003 2:34:16 PM
From: augieboo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 30712
 
Steve,

1) Like pre-apartheid S Africa, not every type of citizen in Israel is allowed to vote, so is it really a democracy?

I think that democracy is always a both a relative and an evolving concept.

Example 1:

Prior to and during WWII, persons of Japanese extraction were excluded from being U.S. citizens.

Hitler was voted into office.

Does this mean that Nazi Germany was more "democratic" than the U.S.? I think not.

Example 2:

It is my understanding that until recently, i.e., the last 5 years or so, Germany had extreme restrictions on citizenship by naturalization -- regardless of how many generations of a family had lived there.

Israel apparently has similar restrictions today.

Does that mean that Germany and Israel were therefore (until the recent change in Germany) on the same level as the vast majority of Middle Eastern countries, wherein the right to vote may or may not exist but the power of the citizenry against the government is essentially nil?

Again, I think not.

2) Family ties between Iraq/Jordan and Iraq/Kuwait are considerable. I don´t think there are similar ties between Israelis (at least not the ones who are allowed democracy)and arab ME states.

Family ties between the U.S. and Canada and the U.S. and Mexico are similarly strong. Does that mean it's okay if the U.S. decides to annex them and install military governors to control them?

Speaking of annexing territories, I have read that there are more people of Irish extraction in the U.S. than in Ireland. The same might also be true of the Welsh and the Scots.

Hmmm... now that I think about it, we have strong family ties to EVERYWHERE. Maybe we should just take over the whole world...