To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (365102 ) 3/1/2003 8:21:55 PM From: DavesM Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667 Yes, I am making two separate points. My point, about the UN, is that the UN really doesn't do much even when a country kills its citizens on a massive scale. Therefore, genocide isn't necessarily a reason why the UN would sanction the "use of force". It is clear that the United States did not support China during the "Great Leap Forward" or the "Cultural Revolution". The United States did not support Communist Poland or Yugoslavia, or Pol Pot during the Cold War. Why is this bashing the UN? It seems that the only time that genocide is stopped by the UN, is when U.S. or possibly Australian troops are employed by the UN. re:"You seem to have changed subjects from the gassings in Iraq to now suddenly bashing the UN...." As far as the French in Rwanda goes, what kind of help is this? "Hutu Power brigades draped their vehicles with French flags to lure Tutsis from hiding to their deaths; and even when real French troops found survivors, they often told them to wait for transport, then went away and returned to find that those they had "saved" were corpses. From the moment they arrived, and wherever they went, the French forces supported and preserved the same local political leaders who had presided over the genocide. "pbs.org re:"Rwanda, IMO, is the biggest sin of Clinton's admin....At least the French and Danes had troops there to try and help" You do not support taking military action to remove Saddam, when more people have died as a result of his actions, than in Bosnia, Kosovo or Croatia (you could probably kick in Rwanda as well)? "A few weeks before the Serb forces, commanded by another indicted war criminal, General Ratko Mladic, moved to sieze Srebrenica, Janvier and Mladic held a series of meetings during which it is widely believed the French soldier guaranteed there would be no UN intervention at Srebrenica as long as UnProFor troops being held hostage (many of them French) were released. Weight to this allegation is added by the fact that when the Serbs subsequently surrounded the town and began a bombardment, Janvier astonishingly refused the pleas from the 700 Dutch peacekeepers for heavy air strikes. At one stage, it is said that he even rejected a request from the besieged Dutch because it was faxed on the wrong form. "observer.co.uk re:"And I think after a sluggish start the UN did a fine job in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo....Mostly led by Clinton" I'm sure that there have been Congressional Hearings regarding U.S. support of Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. Please find me the list and a link, where nerve gas or chemical weapons were actually supplied by the United States. Even so, yes the Bush (43) Administration does wave the story around even though it may be uncomfortable for the Bush (41) Administration. re:"Now, back to the gassing in Iraq....that occured with gases supplied by us and during the Bush Sr. admin."