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To: gerard mangiardi who wrote (365155)	3/1/2003 11:24:05 PM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 769670

No He didn't. Not one word. Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Didn't Christ repudiate much of the Old Testament philosophy?

To: gerard mangiardi who wrote (365155)	3/2/2003 7:28:35 AM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Didn't Christ repudiate much of the Old Testament philosophy? Not at all. Not in the least. He Himself followed the Old Testament (OT) perfectly and yet follows it. That is precisely why the whole earth will one day be judged and why God's wrath, the same wrath we see in the OT, will be poured over it as we have seen it poured in the OT. Christ simply came such that we can follow the OT philosophies, not on our own, but in Him. We could not follow those laws beforehand - not to perfection. They were too difficult and too many. For that reason humans were and yet are condemned. But Christ could and indeed He followed the laws, and He yet follows them (as DMA has here mentioned). So then while some of the laws we yet follow because they promote civil order and natural integrity, we follow none of them to be saved from the coming wrath of the God Who we see in the OT. Only One Thing can save us from that wrath, and that is our appropriation of Christ's life for ourselves. In Him, and only in Him, can we follow the law that otherwise condemns us. As Christ tells us, we need not follow the OT law of retaliation, for example, because Christ is retaliating on our behalf - in accordance with the Old Testament. The OT pours into Him and He pours into all Who believe on Him. And are most Christians circumcised as Christ was? That likely has varied through history. The first Christians were obviously Jews. They went to synagogue and functioned in civil life very much like Jews. They were also circumcised. So at that time most Christians were circumcised. During the post apostolic age, vast numbers of uncircumcised gentiles began to enter the Church. I imagine at that time eventually most Christians were uncircumcised. Today, perhaps most are circumcised due to the alleged health benefits of that practice, but not because Christ was circumcised. (BTW the story of salvation from wrath is "typed" throughout the Bible. Indeed, we see that the Bible is just a huge repetition of salvation by grace, with Christ being the final fulfillment of what has been going on since the beginning. I suspect this repetition of salvation can be found in virtually every book of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation. As Noah entered the ark and was ridiculed for it because there was not a cloud in the sky, Christians are now entering the Last and Final Ark - of a long line of "arks", despite the current ridicule of heathens.)