To: E. T. who wrote (15002 ) 3/3/2003 7:16:21 AM From: zonder Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25898 when you get a credible link you don't respond You are lying. The AI link you have posted talks about "Torture of political prisoners" and NOT about the raping nights out of Saddam's son, Uday, which was the topic of conversation here. THAT was the story for which I asked a credible link. And you gave me an Amnesty International link that say NOTHING about this subject and stuff about torture of political prisoners. You are wasting my time. Not to mention starting to get my goat, with your slanders along the line of "you skirt the topic". Hello? Do you even KNOW what the topic IS??? So Iraq tortures its prisoners. SO WHAT??? Who EVER contested on this thread that Iraq could be torturing whomever comes its way, including political prisoners??? Since when is systematic torture grounds to invade a country and kill off its government??? Hello E.T. let me present you to Turkey, a US ally where there is systematic torture galore , repeatedly documented by not only Amnesty International but various other sources. HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH Publications TURKEY - Torture and Mistreatment In Pre-trial Detention By Anti-terror Police hrw.org TURKEY - Torture - A major concern in 1999 Torture persists as a major concern for Amnesty International in Turkey. Amnesty International has documented hundreds of cases of torture over many years and has campaigned urgently against the risk of torture when people are detained by the security forces. web.amnesty.org I hope you are CRYSTAL CLEAR now on what I am trying to tell you. Let me repeat for the slow learners among us: (1) The topic of conversation was Uday's alleged nights out when he choses women to rape, and sometimes kill, in night clubs. I asked a link from a credible news source, you gave me Amnesty International on "Torture of Political Prisoners" (2) If torture were grounds for invasion and regime change of a sovereign country, EXPLAIN to us all how come Turkey is a best buddy of the US, recently offered USD 30 bn.