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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (365527)	3/3/2003 2:25:34 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Of course you can! Observation is observation. Observation of what? You can't directly see a behavior. You always see the natural thing behaving. That is because behaviors are not actual things that exist in nature, but are mere expressions of things that exist in nature. "Can't 'touch' them?" That's a fairly silly comment, isn't it? Absolutely not. It shows you the fact that behaviors are not natural, as we are. Your definition of natural is very mushy, encompassing all manner of metaphysical concepts, such as "the mind." You are too religious here. Should we completely eliminate your religious mumbo jumbo, we are left only with the natural - that which exists, physically exists in nature. As a result of the character of the physical, we get certain behaviors. Since behaviors themselves are not natural, but are only attached to the natural, some of them can and do change such that they reflect characters that are counter to nature. Of course [behaviors exist in nature], as I pointed out... in countless profusion across thousands of species. Here you are clearly misinformed. No. You are misinformed. You are holding a view of nature that is religious - where behaviors just exist just as if they were entities when clearly they are not. Behaviors are intangible things because they do not exist of themselves. They only "exist" as expressions of actual nature. Now that is a fact. R-E-A-L-L-Y now [you actually believe bodies are natural but that behaviors are not?] I certainly do, and I am correct. Behaviors either conform to nature or are foreign to it. They do not exist such that we might observe them of themselves. They are simply expressions of actual nature. ... Isn't mind/body a functioning system? Only if you are a friggin' religious nut who cannot think outside of his friggin' cage.