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To: SilentZ who wrote (162918)	3/4/2003 2:22:07 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574056

-Z, Conservatives defend the constitution. Liberals constantly try to rewrite it against the voters of this republic. Show me where in the constitution is abortion, prescription drugs, buying votes with welfare, etc. If you haven't noticed, the farther we get away from the founding fathers and their wisdom, the more problems surface. Steve

To: SilentZ who wrote (162918)	3/4/2003 2:22:09 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1574056

Everybody hides behind the Constitution... I'll admit that I do it as well. It's just one of those major political paradoxes. Certainly, as a man with an IQ of 160, you will agree that this is an intellectually weak position. I mean, if we (Americans) are going to debate these issues, should the debate not be intellectual, rather than just hiding behind the founding document? It sort of cheapens the notion of the Constitution, at least in my mind, when it is abused in this way. When I refer to it, I try to do so in the most serious way. But I think you're correct, that many liberals "hide" behind the document -- this is what Chuck Schumer is doing on the Judiciary Committee at this time -- arguing that the Constitutional "advise and consent" role is actually something quite a bit bigger than the Founding Fathers ever conceived of. If one believes in the Constitution and its authority, one also has to comprehend that liberalism has a destructive effect on it. Over time, liberalism erodes the Constitution with watered-down, hidden behind arguments. This isn't, I think, what we need.

To: SilentZ who wrote (162918)	3/4/2003 4:54:09 PM
From: hmaly	Respond to of 1574056

ZO Re..Everybody hides behind the Constitution... I'll admit that I do it as well. It's just one of those major political paradoxes. And why is that. Because they don't have the votes to change the constitution, so they try to interpret the constitution to mean something it doesn't. They are trying to impose the will of a few on the masses, through deception, rather than putting it to a vote. It is exactly the same with the spotted owl vs the loggers in the northwest. The snail darter and the Tom Big Bee dam. The endangered species bill is used to stop development all the time. The same with the Iraq war. The WMD is one of the biggest reasons for the war, but it is only one. The peaceniks deny there is enough proof, when everyone knows WMD is only one of many reasons; and the president has to include all of the reasons on both sides to come to a final decision. The demagogery on both sides is becoming sad.

To: SilentZ who wrote (162918)	3/7/2003 1:45:16 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1574056

Which is a really good point. So why are the liberals arguing that God should be excluded based upon a 18th century document. Shouldn't they be arguing that God isn't hip enough anymore to be included, or that atheism is more powerful than God, or that Islam demands Allah over God; and that God should be excluded based upon new mores, not that the founding fathers didn't mean to include God, when they clearly did include God in the Constitution, the pledge, and money. This is the most ridiculous comment. God belongs in prayers and not in the petty works of man. ted