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To: sea_urchin who wrote (17398)	3/4/2003 2:44:06 PM
From: sea_urchin	Respond to of 81267

>your government ... and the US media has done whatever they can to make you feel that way and, what is more, to direct your fear and your anger to wherever they see fit, even towards places and people which have absolutely nothing to do with terrorizing you latimes.com >>>As George W. Bush prepares to plunge the nation into war against Iraq, he is using rhetoric in a highly manipulative way. Though that may not be unusual for a wartime president, we as citizens should recognize when he is leading us around by the nose. More than 30 times in the last seven months, Bush has used variations on a theme to describe the U.S. as vulnerable No one is forcing war on the U.S. or on the administration. Quite the contrary: Bush has been forcing the war issue for months now. For him to claim otherwise is to shirk responsibility for the grave consequences his war may have.<<<

To: sea_urchin who wrote (17398)	3/4/2003 7:24:02 PM
From: dave rose	Respond to of 81267

<<Without any doubt. In fact, your government (I presume you are an American citizen) and the US media has done whatever they can to make you feel that way and, what is more, to direct your fear and your anger to wherever they see fit, even towards places and people which have absolutely nothing to do with terrorizing >>> The leading US media (NY Time, L.A.Times, Boston Globe, Washington Post, USA Today tend to be against Bush and against the war. Only the Washington Times of the larger papers favor his actions. All networks tend to favor the anti-war crowd. <<<I'm sorry, for your sake, to hear that because you must be a very worried and unhappy man if you believe them. In my opinion, not only are the writings wrong but they are mischievous in that they attempt to create and promote trouble between the US and Islam instead of ameliorating whatever misunderstanding does exist. I will discuss his opening paragraph.>>> I appreciate your feelings for me but Bush is not creating and promoting trouble, it has been there for the last 50 years. <<Firstly, I think the US has done whatever it could to maintain the status quo in the MidEast especially with regards to its oil interests. America has a very cordial relationship with the governments of Saudi, the Gulf states and Egypt, even Turkey. Further, the situation with Iran has also improved considerably. This is hardly appeasement.>> I would change the word “cordial” to tenuous. 20 billion payments to Egypt does not hurt the relationship. The Saudis need us as much as we need them. <<Secondly, the Muslim world does not hold the US in contempt. Sure, the radical fundamentalists, who possibly amount to far fewer than 1% of Muslims, do but, without any doubt, most Muslims hold America in high regard and would like nothing more than to live there. To suggest that the "lunatic fringe" speaks for all of Islam is absolutely incorrect. >> You maybe correct in saying that less than 1% of Muslims are radical fundamentalists. My problem is I do not hear any (or very little) condemnations of these acts of terror. There is even dancing in the streets. <<Yes, there have been many hijackings and terrorist attacks over the past 40 years but, in the main, they were not directed at the US. If anywhere, they were directed towards Israel and for obvious reasons. Much of the predicament that the US finds itself in is because it now regards the allegedly insoluble conflict between Israel and the Palestinians as its own and, clearly, has taken Israel's side. >> Can you explain how WTC (two times) USS Cole, Marine barracks, Lockerby, 52 U.S. diplomatic personnel held hostage, 19 U.S. soldiers killed in their barracks in Saudi , Richard Reed attempting to destroy an airplane with a shoe bomb, the bombing in Bali, and today 19 killed in the Philippines. <<< Accepted. But is the military "solution" the only feasible one? In my opinion, war should be avoided until all other means have been exhausted. It's one thing to fight "terrorists" but it will certainly not be to the West's advantage to be at war with all of Islam. >> We have been at this for 12 years. Nothing happened to lessen the danger. After 911 Bush took the bull by the horns and things are now going to be corrected(I hope). I wish there was another way. Negotiation has not worked. Have you read about the Pirates of Tripoli? Our ships had to pay tribute for using the open seas near his domains. We sent in the Marines and cleaned them out. The world was better off thereafter. Hopefully we can help the world to not live in terror.