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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonder who wrote (15658)	3/5/2003 8:56:00 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

Wow!!! You really need to loosen up, you're going to get a hernia...<g> GZ

To: zonder who wrote (15658)	3/5/2003 8:57:42 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

Who cares what Israel thinks??? Now looks who's being anti-Semetic... I find you entertaining...<g> Please keep posting you views, I need a good laugh... hehehehehehe... GZ

To: zonder who wrote (15658)	3/5/2003 9:13:37 AM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 25898

You are discussing your gut-feelings and perceptions formed by your media. Wow...aren't we lucky to have you tell us how our views ought to be formed.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

To: zonder who wrote (15658)	3/5/2003 8:41:43 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 25898

You are an American. Your country RECOGNIZES Iraq as a country. It also recognizes Saddam's government as its LEGITIMATE government, or else they would not be in such good relations for such a long time. But funny how other countries recognize Arafat and the Palestinians as a state, but others do not... And some countries recognize the Dalai Lama as the legitimate ruler of Tibet, but others recognize China.. Who decides which nations are, or are not, legitimate??.. How about the Kurds?? They have been effectively independent for years.. have their own flag, and political parties. Are they are a "legitimate" government under your definition of international law?? But here's a PRIME example... Taiwan, which ORIGINALLY HELD the permanent UNSC seat now held by mainland China. What right did anyone have to deny their legitimacy as a sovereign state?? Is there any greater way in which to destroy the legitimacy of a government than by arbitrarily passing on their UNSC and UN status to their dire enemy?? You seem to think International Law is written in stone by the almighty his(her?)self, not merely as a code providing a GUIDE to international relations, that nations often ignore.. It is often backed only by treaties, which are only as valuable as the paper they are written on. Do you have an example or are you just talking off the top of your head in another show of gut feelings and misconceptions formed by the media? Absolutely!! The most pertinent one is where the UN members violated the "international law" laid down by the UNSC towards Iraq demanding that it disarm its WMDs!! Iraq violated UN law by refusing to disarm and throwing out UNSCOM inspectors (calling them US spies), and the UN membership violated its own law by NOT ENFORCING IT at that moment.. Only Clinton, through his pitiful display of bombing, took steps to enforce international law as it pertains to Iraq. And now Bush is doing the same thing becaue France, Germany, and Russia are unwilling to enforce this particular BINDING international law because its economically "inconventient" to them. After all a binding UNSC resolution is as close to a law as anything that we find in the international arena... And now wants to see that law complied with but the US and a few other nations who seem to understand that the UN is facing being made utterly irrelevant because of the failure of Saddam's European friends to ignore their obligations. So there's a violation of international law for you... When all is said and done Zonder.. International law represents the will of the strongest nations on this planet. As with history, the victors write their versions of it, and impose their sense of order upon the rest of the world as best they can. But there is nothing that states they have to adher to their own rules when they see that these laws are self-destructive or have been obsolete. I say the right to terminate their own pregnancy is FAR MORE IMPORTANT for women then the right to vote. In this respect, going on your line of reasoning, the US is not a legitimate government. How do you like THAT? Amazing.. I must have been sleeping for the past 20 years.. When I went to bed last night abortion was still legal in this country... When did they ban it?? But if the people of the US decide to outlaw abortion, and pass such a vote, and it survives judicial review by the Supreme Court, then that is legitimate because the people want it. The minority in favor of it are free to move to Monaco. But for some Muslim girls, it is more important that they be able to wear headscarves to preserve their modesty.. But the French government apparently outlawed the wearing of head scarves in their public schools... I still believe that it's legal to wear them here in the US.. How do you like 'dem apples?... :0) Hawk