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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: HG who wrote (16097)	3/5/2003 8:22:23 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

<<< ... The reductio ad absurdum of the failed American war policy was illustrated by a recent column in the Washington Post by the superhawk Charles Krauthammer. Krauthammer wants nothing to do with soft measures; yet he, too, can see that the cost of using force against North Korea would be prohibitive: "Militarily, we are not even in position to bluff." He rightly understands, too, that in the climate created by pending war in Iraq, "dialogue" is scarcely likely to succeed. He has therefore come up with a new idea. He identifies China as the solution. China must twist the arm of its Communist ally North Korea. "If China and South Korea were to cut off North Korea, it could not survive," he observes. But to make China do so, the United States must twist China's arm. How? By encouraging Japan to build nuclear weapons. For "if our nightmare is a nuclear North Korea, China's is a nuclear Japan." It irks Krauthammer that the United States alone has to face up to the North Korean threat. Why shouldn't China shoulder some of the burden? He wants to "share the nightmares." Indeed. He wants to stop nuclear proliferation with more nuclear proliferation. Here the nuclear age comes full circle. The only nation ever to use the bomb is to push the nation on which it dropped it to build the bomb and threaten others ... >>> thenation.com

To: HG who wrote (16097)	3/5/2003 8:50:22 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 25898

Agree, as many others, on that uncomfortable-laugh relief. Belongs to "social pain" class. However, the basis for "laughter" is "pain" when that "pain" is relieved. To feel "the pain" on also has to "identify" with whatever experiences the pain, classic examples "Chaplin tripping on a banana peel", and two possibilites for the relief - Chaplin gets up, no real damage done - wasn't me, it was some poor looser Another classic example is "using the wrong fork at a dinner", some of the mroe american are "stiff party until everyone falls into the pool", or "throw food on each other". All within the tradition of "classic medieval upper-lower class" humor, but not really about "slaves". However, US "minstrel" stuff also includes that aspect, but my point is - "guilt" is a form of "pain" only through "identification" Other forms of "social pains" is "fear" of stuff like being "faulty" (stupid, stuttering, short,long,fat,thin,etc,etc..) However, both pain from upper-lower-class, master-slave,etc depends on the capability to "identifiy" to feel the pain of "the real object of the pain" --- Well, the really basic "pains" have to do with "poo-poo" and sex... wrong time or wrong place or for some in almost any way... Sorry, listnening to the "Way and Means committee", difficult to concentrate, but anyway, there is this (first) basic book on humor by Freud, and Hollywood is one of the present experts on it. Much of the stuff is obviously connected to "those times", somewhat difficult to understand now, but, IMO, more basic, or meaningful than the "anthropologic stuff" (although they are very close, in some variations of both) However, that "guilt" is, IMO, just an intermediate byproduct. (few laughs at Chaplin tripping on a banana peel because of "guilt"?? well, except for a feeling of guilt for laughing the first time, or another time??) Ilmarinen Another reason for reading that Freud stuff, one can have double and triple-fun.. ANyway, the LOL-people are funny...

To: HG who wrote (16097)	3/5/2003 8:53:36 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 25898

Btw, one reason why EU has given "limited human rights" to chimpanzees is becasue they have a sense of - humor, from identification, from recognition of pain (empathy) (key words, "mirror test 1918") what is worse is that both dogs and pigs might have humor too, at least pigs?? Well, except the idea that true libertarians do not.. (some swede,17xx)