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To: Dayuhan who wrote (80113)	3/7/2003 9:24:48 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Do you have a citation to support that claim? It doesn't seem to square up with any of the Zionist writings that I've read. Certainly a read of Herzl's The Jewish State gives a very different impression. Before we could have that discussion, we would need to define what "dependence on a wider world" and "total independence" meant. I got the the impression from Jacob's words that he was positing complete self-sufficiency and total independence from the Great Powers as a Zionist goal, and I replied in that context. The Zionists certainly wished for an independent nation-state; but Ben Gurion didn't harbor too many illusions about the realities of the power balance in the Mideast. The idea of the refuge, which they did think they could manage, was therefore more important imo.