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To: LindyBill who wrote (80128)	3/7/2003 8:16:52 AM
From: Condor	Respond to of 281500

So when the dancing Iraqis meet us in the street with flowers, I had this fleeting image of you in a procession of tanks heading into Baghdad sitting on top and hurling tomatoes at the cheering Iraquis shouting " get out of the way you sh*theads". Sorry LB you just aren't the guy to sell the emancipation image. :o)

To: LindyBill who wrote (80128)	3/7/2003 3:29:01 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi LindyBill; Re: "Oh, I see. So when the dancing Iraqis meet us in the street with flowers, that is just a prelude to them starting Urban Warfare against us six months later." No, a population that welcomes foreign troops usually doesn't rebel, though they sometimes eventually do. I've noted before that the belief that the residents of Baghdad will come out with flowers for us is a delusion. Also note that I predicted within a few days of 9/11 that the Afghans would greet us with flowers. The difference is simple. We had a history of helping Afghanistan against the Russians, particularly under Reagan. Our history in Iraq is one of killing their soldiers (i.e. fathers, brothers and sons), destroying their infrastructure, and depriving the population of the benefits of free trade. Also, Afghanistan was a non Arab country being run by Arabs, a foreign invader, while Iraq is an Arab country being run by an Arab, so there was in Afghanistan a certain xenophobia already in place against the Taliban. -- Carl

To: LindyBill who wrote (80128)	11/12/2003 11:04:34 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Lindy Bill; Re: "Oh, I see. So when the dancing Iraqis meet us in the street with flowers, that is just a prelude to them starting Urban Warfare against us six months later. Boy, they are really sneaky, aren't they?" You wrote this back on March 7, after I told you that six months is about the right delay between an occupation and the rise of the resistance. In some ways the resistance began the moment we entered Iraq, but it's really getting hot over there now. The reason for the six month delay is that's about how long it takes for the "shock and awe" of losing a war of maneuver to wear off. The losers in a war of attrition take a lot longer to recover, which is why we were able to pacify Germany and Japan. -- Carl