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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Thomas M. who wrote (17100)3/7/2003 9:00:54 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 25898
 
Yes. As near as I can tell you never get anything right except by accident. Here is some info about the indigenous Jewish presence in Palestine, which you claim supported the PLO until recently. Notice the stories of massacres of historic Jewish communities goes back to the 1920's long before there was a Jewish state.

The ancient Jewish community of Hebron was killed or driven out by Arab riots in 1929:
christiantrumpetsounding.com
Until 1929 there was a thriving Jewish community in Hebron. Jewish merchants and citizens lived in peaceful coexistence with their Arab neighbors. Civility characterized their interaction. More importantly, Jewish physicians and nurses ran the sole health clinic in Hebron. The amount of charitable care they provided the Arab community was large. They were the only source of health care for the Arabs.
Riots plagued Jerusalem prior to 1929, instigated by the Arab community. The result of these riots was murderous persecutions of Jews in the "City of Peace." Hebron remained quiet. Harmony between Jews and Arabs prevailed until Arabs from Jerusalem came to foment uprisings in Hebron. The quiescent way of coexistence there was soon to be shattered.
British officers, as eyewitnesses recall, told Hebron’s Jewish community leaders that they were short on weapons. Due to this shortage they couldn’t guarantee British protection of Hebron’s Jews should the Arabs attack them. Unfortunately, the British also told the Arabs the same thing.
August 1929 in Hebron was a bloody month. Arabs began attacking Jews. Using knives, axes, machetes, picks—whatever they could find—indiscriminate attacks were unleashed. Not only were strong young Jewish men brutalized, but also women, the elderly and even tender young children. When Arab fury was, for the time being, satiated—69 of Hebron’s Jews had been slaughtered. Photographs of the survivors keep the story fresh in our minds. Pictorial records of victims’ wounds deeply jar our Christian sensibilities.
Having their fill of Jewish blood the rioters began to turn on the British, who were standing by to watch the melee. Seeing the advancing mob, an officer on horseback drew his pistol and fired two shots into the air. The riot stopped then and there.
If only that man had fired his precious two bullets an hour or two earlier, much human suffering would have been averted.
The survivors were told that their safety could no longer be guaranteed. They had to leave their homes, synagogues, businesses and fields without any financial compensation.

Safed was another historic Jewish center in historic Palestine:
adl.org
David Hacohen reported on the news of the Safad Massacre in 1929:
In the bloody Arab riots of 1921, when Yosef Hayyim Brenner, the distinguished socialist pioneer and author, was among those murdered, I was not in Palestine. . . But in the second half of 1929, where there was a fresh wave of murderous Arab attacks throughout Palestine, from Hebron to Safed, I was back at home...
I believe I was the first Jew to reach Safed from the outside after the massacre there. One Friday morning we heard that there had been a pogrom in Safed. We read the official announcement: "On August 29, at 6:15, disturbances broke out in Safed. The army arrived on the scene at 8:35 and immediately restored order. There were some fatal casualties and many houses were burnt. The Jewish inhabitants were at once transferred to safety. Since then calm has prevailed in Safed."
August 29 was a Thursday. Throughout the day rumors continued to come in that the pogrom in Safed was still going on. But Government House provided us with no further information about events in Safed, which was included in the jurisdiction of the Haifa district commissioner. We had enough experience not to trust the reassuring official announcement...
We set out on Saturday morning. . . I could not believe my eyes. . . I met some of the town's Jewish elders, who fell on my neck weeping bitterly. We went down alleys and steps to the old town. Inside the houses I saw the mutilated and burned bodies of the victims of the massacre, and the burned body of a woman tied to the grille of a window. Going from house to house, I counted ten bodies that had not yet been collected. I saw the destruction and the signs of fire. Even in my grimmest thoughts I had not imagined that this was how I would find Safed where "calm prevailed."
The local Jews gave me a detailed description of how the tragedy had started. The pogrom began on the afternoon of Thursday, August 29, and was carried out by Arabs from Safed and from the nearby villages, armed with weapons and tins of kerosene. Advancing on the street of the Sefardi Jews from Kfar Meron and Ein Zeitim, they looted and set fire to houses, urging each other on to continue with the killing. They slaughtered the schoolteacher, Aphriat, together with his wife and mother, and cut the lawyer, Toledano, to pieces with their knives. Bursting into the orphanages, they smashed the children's heads and cut off their hands. I myself saw the victims. Yitshak Mammon, a native of Safed who lived with an Arab family, was murdered with indescribable brutality: he was stabbed again and again, until his body became a bloody sieve, and then he was trampled to death. Throughout the whole pogrom the police did not fire a single shot.
The British police commander, Farradav, walked up and down the main street of the town, where everything was quiet, and did not go down to the scene of the massacre...
The district commissioner defended his own conduct. He said he had known that the situation there was serious, and had therefore demanded that troops be sent in, but they had arrived too late. . . the government was to blame for what had happened. Riots had been taking place for the past seven days, seven whole days since the Hebron massacre. Incitement to violence in the Safed mosques and provocative stone throwing and threats in the streets had been daily occurrences. The warship and troops had already arrived by then. The looting, destruction, burning, and killing had begun already on Thursday evening and continued all that night and all the next day. Why, then, had the government put out its falsely reassuring announcement?
Instead of protecting the Jewish population and its property, the police commander had evacuated four thousand Jews from their homes to the courtyard of Government House, leaving their homes to be looted and burned. While the looting and killing were still going on, the police were searching the Jews for arms...


Jerusalem another historic center Jews - with Jews the largest group in the Old City of Jerusalem for centuries:
creativeye.com
1838 - Jerusalem population totals 14,000 - 6,000 Jews, 5,000 Muslims, 3,390 Christians.
1844 - First official census in Jerusalem confirms a Jewish plurality in Jerusalem: 7,120 Jews, 5,760 Muslims, 3,390 Christians.

The Arabs drove out all the Jews out of the old city into the new in 1948.

Kind of gives the lie to your claim indigenous Jews supported the PLO, huh?

For the heck of it - here's info on another quasi-Jewish group resident in historic Palestine, the Samaritans:
csmweb2.emcweb.com