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To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (5448)	3/7/2003 9:17:25 PM
From: augieboo	Respond to of 11447

WLD, I've been a strong advocate for tearing down the whore-house of Saud for years now -- long before 9-11, so believe me when I say that I understand what you're saying. Those fat, hedonistic pricks have used our money to create Radical Islam -- an enemy which the West will now have to spend the next who knows -- 10, 20, ... 100? years fighting. The day will come when it is time to strike at the head of the beast, but that time is not yet, IMDO. For now Saddam is the best available next-target in what will be a very long conflict.

To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (5448)	3/7/2003 10:07:29 PM
From: sun-tzu	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 11447

we can not allow a known murderer and proud enemy of the US to remain in that position. not doing anything about hussein is tantamount to a net decrease in safety. this is not a pro administration stance, it's a statement on freedom. the disagreements seem relatively civil on this thread...as long as you adopt an anti-war philosophy. i have not participated in this discussion until tonight because i was tired of the one sided presentation of ideals. i apologize about the outburst if you interpreted that as uncivil.

To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (5448)	3/8/2003 12:20:45 AM
From: mishedlo	Respond to of 11447

U.S. Providing N. Korea With Nuke Info story.news.yahoo.com While the Bush administration confronts North Korea (news - web sites) over development of nuclear weapons, it is allowing the regime access to thousands of documents on nuclear technology as part of an electric power project, the Energy Department acknowledged. "While Bush administration officials have thrashed the Clinton administration's approach to North Korea, the fact is that they continued the same ill-conceived policy of offering (North Korean leader) Kim Jong Il access to nuclear technology," complained Markey.

To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (5448)	3/8/2003 5:19:41 PM
From: LTK007	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 11447

<<Pol Pot And Kissinger On war criminality and impunity by Edward S. Herman (Edward S. Herman is Professor Emeritus at the Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania.) The hunt is on once again for war criminals, with ongoing trials of accused Serbs in The Hague, NATO raids seizing and killing other accused Serbs, and much discussion and enthusiasm in the media for bringing Pol Pot to trial, which the editors of the New York Times assure us would be "an extraordinary triumph for law and civilization" (June 24). The Politics of War Criminality There are, however, large numbers of mass murderers floating around the world. How are the choices made on who will be pursued and who will be granted impunity? The answer can be found by following the lines of dominant interest and power and watching how the mainstream politicians, media, and intellectuals reflect these demands. Media attention and indignation "follows the flag," and the flag follows the money (i.e., the demands of the corporate community), with some eccentricity based on domestic political calculations. This sometimes yields droll twists and turns, as in the case of Saddam Hussein, consistently supported through the 1980s in his war with Iran and chemical warfare attacks on Iraqi Kurds, until his invasion of Kuwait in 1990, transformed him overnight into "another Hitler." Similarly, Pol Pot, "worse than Hitler" until his ouster by Vietnam in 1979, then quietly supported for over a decade by the United States and its western allies (along with China) as an aid in "bleeding Vietnam," but now no longer serviceable to western policy and once again a suitable target for a war crimes trial. Another way of looking at our targeting of war criminals is by analogy to domestic policy choices on budget cuts and incarceration, where the pattern is to attack the relatively weak and ignore and protect those with political and economic muscle. Pol Pot is now isolated and politically expendable, so an obvious choice for villainization. By contrast, Indonesian leader Suharto, the butcher of perhaps a million people (mainly landless peasants) in 1965-66, and the invader, occupier, and mass murderer of East Timor from 1975 to today, is courted and protected by the Great Powers, and was referred to by an official of the Clinton administration in 1996 as "our kind of guy." Pinochet, the torturer and killer of many thousands, is treated kindly in the United States as the Godfather of the wonderful new neoliberal Chile. President Ford and Secretary of State Kissinger, who gave the go ahead to Suharto's invasion of East Timor and subsequent massive war crimes there, and the same Kissinger, who helped President Nixon engineer and then protect the Pinochet coup and regime of torture and murder, and directed the first phase of the holocaust in Cambodia (1969-75), remain honored citizens. The media have never suggested that these men should be brought to trial in the interest of justice, law, and "civilization." --------------------continues musictravel.free.fr Max comment--so let's have a cheer for Ted Koppel and ALL the gutless media wonders that cater like kowtowing lackeys to one of America's greatest monsters.