To: ajax99 who wrote (18316 ) 3/9/2003 9:04:13 PM From: Karen Lawrence Respond to of 25898 To:quehubo who wrote (80809) From: Sun Tzu Sunday, Mar 9, 2003 8:45 PM Respond to of 80818 > We cannot change the past we can only hope not to repeat it. Not if we do not acknowledge the mistakes. Bush has never said we should act out of principle, only out of self interest. > Is it ethical today to support containing Saddam, which clearly has strengthened his hold over Iraq Two points. First, Saddam has not strengthened his hold on Iraq. Quite to the contrary, he is much weaker than ever. For examples, the Kurds have for all given purposes created an independent state in the north and do not even speak Arabic anymore. Saddam's army is one third of what it was during the Gulf War. And during that war his forces were half of what they had been before he attacked Iran. What is more, he cannot conjure up weapons and their delivery system out of thin air. He has to buy them from us. So all the west have to do is not to sell him any. Nor is he immortal. Saddam is in his late 60s and I have heard reports that he has cancer. All in all, I don't agree with the first premise of you argument. A greater issue is can we ethically remove Saddam. The answer to that is the same as the answer to this question: "Is it ethical to only prosecute CEOs who swindled their shareholders and cooked their books AND did not contribute to the President's campaign?" That is do you think it is right to fairly prosecute a person but be selective in whom we prosecute? So long as we support regimes like Saudi and Kuwait, we do not have a moral leg to stand on in this regard. > strange that you bring up ethics and conscience when talking about some one who clearly has does not have one. Not at all. Application of ethics is not dependent on whom it is being applied to. I do not have to lower myself to Saddam's level to figure out how to deal with him best. Sun Tzu